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10th January 2011, 12:16 PM
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I kind of have a pet peeve, not about the intentions behind the statement, but the fact that I don't know where they are actually getting the statement from.
I had just seen this statement somewhere else on CF and it got me thinking. It is said that God does not tempt us beyond what we can bear, but people also say that God doesn't give us any more than we can't handle and I swear that the latter statement is not in the Bible anywhere. Granted, Catholicism doesn't mandate that every single thing be in the Bible itself but I've heard this statement long said by Protestants as well and it kind of bugs me because I don't really see this in the Bible - not at all - I am not perturbed by the intentions of those who make the comment, but I want to know where exactly does God say that He won't give us more than He can handle?
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10th January 2011, 12:34 PM
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Reps: 302,288,158,964,732,544 (power: 302,288,158,964,738) | | Originally Posted by Lady Bug  I kind of have a pet peeve, not about the intentions behind the statement, but the fact that I don't know where they are actually getting the statement from.
I had just seen this statement somewhere else on CF and it got me thinking. It is said that God does not tempt us beyond what we can bear, but people also say that God doesn't give us any more than we can't handle and I swear that the latter statement is not in the Bible anywhere. Granted, Catholicism doesn't mandate that every single thing be in the Bible itself but I've heard this statement long said by Protestants as well and it kind of bugs me because I don't really see this in the Bible - not at all - I am not perturbed by the intentions of those who make the comment, but I want to know where exactly does God say that He won't give us more than He can handle?
While you would be hard pressed to find the phrase, "God will not give you more than you can bear," you will find the idea in Genesis 4.
Cain, after killing Abel, received a punishment from God. Cain said it was harder than he could bear. Yet, if one reads on, Cain must have been able to bear his punishment, for he continued to live and even had children.
I do believe that God does not give us more than we are able to handle.
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10th January 2011, 12:36 PM
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What I mean is this. If you receive more wealth (for example) than you can handle without falling into sin then isn't the wealth a test that has gone beyond what you can bear? Similar "things" can be substituted for wealth in the above.
Does that make sense to you?
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10th January 2011, 12:47 PM
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He said, he will not test us beyond our strength and he will afford us a way out.
It does not mean we automatically will have the strength to endure and choose rightly.
We might not rise to the occasion... but we choose not to.
We have the grace, God will give us the grace but we have to cooperate with it and it's not a walk in the park. It taks effort.
And where is all this is in the bible? Catholicism knowing theology. Getting it right because God gave to them the authority to teach us these things in His name.
Where is that in the bible? Matthew... why do we believe this is the correct exegeses of matthew? Because we have history that proves it is.
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10th January 2011, 01:51 PM
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10th January 2011, 06:24 PM
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Reps: 364,739,928,055,567,872 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Lady Bug I want to know where exactly does God say that He won't give us more than He can handle? Originally Posted by 1Cor 10:13 Let no temptation take hold on you, but such as is human. And God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which you are able: but will make also with temptation issue, that you may be able to bear it.
We should not pray for God to take away our temptations and sufferings but for the strength to bear them up so that we may grow in strength and advance in virtue. Suffering is the only way. 
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10th January 2011, 07:18 PM
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10th January 2011, 07:19 PM
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Reps: 543,174,013,823,940,800 (power: 543,174,013,823,957) | | | I think the are referring to Corinthians 1 10:13, but this scripture is referring to sin and temptation.
But you should always remember this scripture, that Jesus said: "I am with you always, to the end of the age" Thats Matthew 28:20
We will always have trials and tribulations. Those that tell you other wise are lying. Jesus tells us, that we need to pick up our crosses and follow him. The bible talks of this life, as a woman in labor, at the time there is pain and anxiety, then there is peace and joy.
Paul said that he felt like an orphan, and that his body was but a tent, and that he longed to be home with Christ.
I know I may sound like a broken record, but we need to read the WORD of God. It is nourishment, and is like a two edge sword, that cuts down even to bone and marrow.
Don't let anyone lie to you. Read the word, and follow Christ.
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11th January 2011, 01:14 AM
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Reps: 2,746,098,221,830,855,680 (power: 2,746,098,221,830,878) | | [quote=Lady Bug;56514300] I kind of have a pet peeve, not about the intentions behind the statement, but the fact that I don't know where they are actually getting the statement from.
I had just seen this statement somewhere else on CF and it got me thinking. It is said that God does not tempt us beyond what we can bear, but people also say that God doesn't give us any more than we can't handle and I swear that the latter statement is not in the Bible anywhere. Granted, Catholicism doesn't mandate that every single thing be in the Bible itself but I've heard this statement long said by Protestants as well and it kind of bugs me because I don't really see this in the Bible
So not so much a pet peeve then, but a real 'lady bug' is a better description of your problem here.... <place groan here> - not at all - I am not perturbed by the intentions of those who make the comment, but I want to know where exactly does God say that He won't give us more than He can handle? Psalm 55:22 is one place where that idea is expressed ....somewhat?... well kinda, Okay, not really even. But faithful hope in the Lord's ultimate deliverance will sustain. Psalms
Chapter 55 1 1 For the leader. On stringed instruments. A maskil of David. 2 Listen, God, to my prayer; do not hide from my pleading; 3 hear me and give answer. I rock with grief; I groan 4 at the uproar of the enemy, the clamor of the wicked. They heap trouble upon me, savagely accuse me. 5 My heart pounds within me; death's terrors fall upon me. 6 Fear and trembling overwhelm me; shuddering sweeps over me. 7 I say, "If only I had wings like a dove that I might fly away and find rest. 8 Far away I would flee; I would stay in the desert. Selah 9 I would soon find a shelter from the raging wind and storm." 10 Lord, check and confuse their scheming. I see violence and strife in the city 11 making rounds on its walls day and night. Within are mischief and evil; 12 treachery is there as well; oppression and fraud never leave its streets. 13 If an enemy had reviled me, that I could bear; If my foe had viewed me with contempt, from that I could hide. 14 But it was you, my other self, my comrade and friend, 15 You, whose company I enjoyed, at whose side I walked in procession in the house of God. 16 Let death take them by surprise; let them go down alive to Sheol, for evil is in their homes and hearts. 17 But I will call upon God, and the LORD will save me. 18 At dusk, dawn, and noon I will grieve and complain, and my prayer will be heard. 19 God will give me freedom and peace from those who war against me, though there are many who oppose me. 20 God, who sits enthroned forever, will hear me and humble them. For they will not mend their ways; they have no fear of God. 21 They strike out at friends and go back on their promises. 22 Softer than butter is their speech, but war is in their hearts. Smoother than oil are their words, but they are unsheathed swords. 23 Cast your care upon the LORD, who will give you support. God will never allow the righteous to stumble. 24 But you, God, will bring them down to the pit of destruction. These bloodthirsty liars will not live half their days, but I put my trust in you.
Anyways, the answer seems to be that those exact words don't exist.
Maybe it isn't even true that God won't give us more than we can handle. Everyday Theology: God Won’t Give You More Than You Can Handle | Blogging Theologically | Jesus, Books, Culture, & Theology While this phrase sounds very positive and affirming, you will not find “God won’t give you more than you can handle” anywhere within the pages of the Bible. It simply doesn’t exist. Truth be told, we are all way, way too weak to handle the baggage that we have to lug around us, and the solution is to depend on God to be our valet. God is our suffering servant, because it is beyond our ability to do this on our own, but he is ready, willing and able to give us the helping hand that we need.
The servant is greater than the master, he who is last will be first, and first, last.
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11th January 2011, 02:17 AM
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um...ok? 
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