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Has Christmas become too commercialized?

I understand giving children toys for Christmas. It is a very magical time, and no matter how much kids talk about celebrating the birth of Christ, the kids want to get the birthday presents.

As an adult, I no longer think that it is about gifts. Sure, I may exchange a few gifts with close friends, but I find that Christmas is much more about remembering to live in peace, with peace on earth and good will to all men. I enjoy Christmas far more without all the stress of shopping, and focusing more on spending time with family and friends. If I do buy a few more gifts, it is for kids who have few toys, so that they can still share the fun of Christmas, too.

However, it seems that over the years, people talk about spending as much as a couple thousand on gifts at Christmas. People often equate the amount spent with how much the giver loves you. While I bought the few gifts I did buy, people were stressed out, yelling at clerks, being snarky, and generally unpleasant. Most people say that the season often makes them stressed out or depressed and lonely.

So, have we just lost the meaning of it?
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Unread 23rd December 2010, 10:26 PM
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I think they have. Happy Holidays to try to secularize it really gets to me
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Actually, I love the lights, the decorations, the sappy TV specials and even (in some cases) the commercials (I love the M&M commercial with Santa "they do exist").
Of course Im not a believer, so my opinion may not apply.
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Christmas is fun. Secularization is part of the fun.
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Originally Posted by Beanieboy View Post
I understand giving children toys for Christmas. It is a very magical time, and no matter how much kids talk about celebrating the birth of Christ, the kids want to get the birthday presents.
Yep, that's what kids (and many adults) want, and have for decades. Not much new.
Originally Posted by Beanieboy View Post
As an adult, I no longer think that it is about gifts. Sure, I may exchange a few gifts with close friends, but I find that Christmas is much more about remembering to live in peace, with peace on earth and good will to all men. I enjoy Christmas far more without all the stress of shopping, and focusing more on spending time with family and friends. If I do buy a few more gifts, it is for kids who have few toys, so that they can still share the fun of Christmas, too.
So you do indulge (even a bit) in the commercialization of Christmas, yes?
No prob, most people do, no matter how much or little they spend.

Originally Posted by Beanieboy View Post
However, it seems that over the years, people talk about spending as much as a couple thousand on gifts at Christmas. People often equate the amount spent with how much the giver loves you.
6000 dollars? Well for me and mine, that's a bit crazy.
But we spend 300 per person, and Im sure there are those who think that is insanely high.
Originally Posted by Beanieboy View Post
While I bought the few gifts I did buy, people were stressed out, yelling at clerks, being snarky, and generally unpleasant. Most people say that the season often makes them stressed out or depressed and lonely.
Online shopping baby!! A couple hours online, and I'm DONE by the end of November.
Black Friday? To heck with that.

Originally Posted by Beanieboy View Post
So, have we just lost the meaning of it?
What is "the meaning" of it, and how should it be properly celebrated?
Back in the day Christmas was outlawed more than once due to simple accusations of gluttony, drunkenness and rampant sexuality, and accusations that it was a Catholic holiday.

So how should we celebrate it? What is "the meaning" of a holiday not described or celebrated in the very Bible the holiday (kinda sorta) comes from?
Just asking.
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Christmas is fun. Secularization is part of the fun.

how bout atheists have an atheist day and then see how they feel when Christians come to try to 'christianize' it...

is that an evil snowman?
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Originally Posted by Meepy View Post
how bout atheists have an atheist day and then see how they feel when Christians come to try to 'christianize' it...

is that an evil snowman?
We do . . . we put up this decorated tree, and we have this myth of a jolly fat guy, and we give each other tons of presents...

Unless you want to call of those things Christian ideals?
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Originally Posted by Meepy View Post
how bout atheists have an atheist day and then see how they feel when Christians come to try to 'christianize' it...
I imagine it would work in a similar way to when Christians took December 25th, a holiday for other religions, and 'christianized' that.
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Originally Posted by Meepy View Post
how bout atheists have an atheist day and then see how they feel when Christians come to try to 'christianize' it...
Atheists have enough fun with Christian holidays.

is that an evil snowman?
There are 2 movies called Jack Frost. One is about a dad that becomes a snowman and the other is about a serial killer that becomes one.
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Originally Posted by Beanieboy View Post
So, have we just lost the meaning of it?
The gift-giving is an integral part of the meaning of the holiday for me. If you are made unhappy by gift-giving, you're doing it wrong.


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