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Old 18th December 2010, 03:08 PM
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Did Satan Have Free Will In Heaven?

I am asking this question because if satan was in heaven how could he be envious and demonstrate jealousy while in Heaven?

So I pose the question did satan have free will in heaven?

All The Glory Belongs To God Forever!
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Originally Posted by toolite View Post
I am asking this question because if satan was in heaven how could he be envious and demonstrate jealousy while in Heaven?

So I pose the question did satan have free will in heaven?

All The Glory Belongs To God Forever!
Of all the angels, Lucifer (enlightened one) was given special gifts and characteristics to see how he would handle it. None other was given such liberty, except man later. He decided to be as God and began to gather angels to follow him (that is when God put a stop to it and made "elect angels", who were sanctified, I believe). Lucifer was cast out and then became representative of all influence outside of God --darkness, evil, chaos, etc. He became an agent to test man, I believe, and was called Satan, an adversary.

We need to see that God, who knows the end from the beginning, set forth Satan to test man, and then began what we know as the seven dispensations (one can study this in the Word). Satan will eventually be cast away to condemnation after serving God's purposes, and the Lord will reign supreme for evermore. This is just a bit of overview.

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So I pose the question did satan have free will in heaven?
Yes.
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Hi toolite,

I'm curious. You seem to present this argument that you don't understand that there can be jealousy and envy in heaven. Where do you get that understanding?

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Old 19th December 2010, 10:17 AM
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Most of the theories about the Adversary have arisen from speculation and old, fairy-tailish literature. So the answer is...... nobody here or anywhere else knows the answer. I believe.... that according to scriptures, the Adversary has always done just what he was created to do by the Creator. But, I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by StevenL View Post
Most of the theories about the Adversary have arisen from speculation and old, fairy-tailish literature. So the answer is...... nobody here or anywhere else knows the answer. I believe.... that according to scriptures, the Adversary has always done just what he was created to do by the Creator. But, I could be wrong.
You are incorrect. According to Genesis, God created everything good. God did not create evil. To say that any evil comes from God is to deny His perfect Holiness. To understand this better we have to first understand that evil is not a creation, it is the absence of a good. God created all things good. But God gave us and the angels freewill to choose to do what is right or not to choose to do what is right. Since all things that are good come from God, any place that is devoid of God is going to also be devoid of anything good. And that kind of place is what we call Hell.

To understand why Satan is forever evil we have to understand how angels are different than us. Unlike us humans who have a physical brain which has it's limits and often can give us clouded judgment resulting in a change of mind, angels don't have a physical body and therefore have pure thought and perfect understanding. So when angels were given a choice to go with God's plan for the Incarnation or to reject it, they understood perfectly the choice they were making. That's why when satan made his decision not to follow God's plan it was a final decision that won't ever change. In other words, Satan freely chose to reject God forever.
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I see you fully believe your own version of the suppositions so I'll leave it at that.

But I believe you are incorrect.
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Originally Posted by StevenL View Post
I see you fully believe your own version of the suppositions so I'll leave it at that.

But I believe you are incorrect.
I don't believe that God is evil. So I don't know why you would disagree with that.
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Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Hope this helps
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On a related note; I thought God made humans because the angels had less free will and he was "bored" with them. Why would satan be given special privilages?

Originally Posted by 1watchman View Post
We need to see that God, who knows the end from the beginning, set forth Satan to test man, and then began what we know as the seven dispensations (one can study this in the Word). Satan will eventually be cast away to condemnation after serving God's purposes, and the Lord will reign supreme for evermore. This is just a bit of overview.

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Originally Posted by served View Post
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Hope this helps
Now this explination I don't understand, why would God consciously create evil, and all the horrible things that stem from it for the purpose of merely "testing" humanity. This makes it sound like a terrible game that's being played by forces we can't see, and anyone that fails these "tests" burn forever. It seems harsh over a game.
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