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Old 17th December 2010, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Jro View Post
So you're proposing this classification scheme just to make miracles a little easier to swallow?
Understand.

I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has ever come up with a solid picture of just how 'scarcely-populated' the Ark really was.
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Old 17th December 2010, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Delphiki View Post
Is it okay if I believe Wuzzles and Popples were on the ark too or is that too many kinds?
May I assume you've lost interest in the epistemological side of this thread, and now it's time to cross over to ridicule?

If so, okay if I just ignore you?
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Old 17th December 2010, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Understand.

I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has ever come up with a solid picture of just how 'scarcely-populated' the Ark really was.
You're talking about an event that already defies our understanding of geology, genetics, evolution, etc., etc. Fitting and sustaining a large population of animals and plants doesn't seem any more difficult for an omnipotent being than making the water appear and reappear without what mainstream geology considers a trace. Where are you getting the notion that the ark was scarcely populated? If that notion makes the flood story easier to understand, what other extra-textual interpretations are you willing to make to make it even easier to understand?
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Understand.
One could understand or swallow it, do both or neither.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Understand.

I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has ever come up with a solid picture of just how 'scarcely-populated' the Ark really was.
it was really scarce compared to the vast amount of animals that have ever existed.
but really that is what to expect from folks that have never seen a platypus
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
I'm hoping to show that not nearly -- (not even close to...) -- as many animals had to board the Ark as some think.

Picture this as an oversimplified example:

The Ark comes to rest with just the aforementioned animals (plus Noah and his family) aboard.

The unicorns disembark -- go out -- get pregnant and give birth to another unicorn, a horse, a cow, a lion and a tiger.

They get pregnant again and give birth to a hippopotamus, a platypus, an aardvark, etc.

See where I'm coming with this?

A kind is an animal with DNA specially encoded for punctuated equilibrium; and because of them, you don't need the Ark crammed full of every living creature in existence at the time, and you don't need long explanations as to how tree sloths got from the Ark to where they're found today, etc.
Sure. Unicorns came out of the ark and gave birth to hippos, aardvarks and lions. Just keep making stuff up and call it "God's Word."

The point of the passages in question was that pairs of all the animals that the writers knew of, went on the ark, and then came out and repopulated the land. Period. Done. Finished. It really isn't very complicated. Youa re just making a perfectly nice story seem ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Split Rock View Post
Just keep making stuff up and call it "God's Word."
No, thanks.

I'll call it what I called it in my post: 'an oversimplified example'.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
No, thanks.

I'll call it what I called it in my post: 'an oversimplified example'.
An oversimplified example of.... what? Based on...... what?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Understand.

I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has ever come up with a solid picture of just how 'scarcely-populated' the Ark really was.

What version of the Bible are you reading?

Oh, wait! I found a version that says this: "Gen 6: 5.5 : God shrunk each animal down into the size of a pinhead and then just threw them all in a bucket and gave them to Noah."

Now I UNDERSTAND. Your Bible must also have 0.5 verses inserted between the other verses as well.

Also, did the unicorns give birth to all the bacteria too? All the microbes? All the species of dust mites?

Don't you see how ridiculous this sounds? You're talking about UNICORNS giving birth to AARDVARKS?

I sometimes think that AV is just messing with us to be funny....but then I remember he's serious.

(Why is it not ok to see that the flood story could be an allegorical exaggeration with a spiritual or moral meaning but does not indeed have to be literal?...)
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Originally Posted by leftrightleftrightleft View Post
(Why is it not ok to see that the flood story could be an allegorical exaggeration with a spiritual or moral meaning but does not indeed have to be literal?...)
Right -- that's what you want, isn't it?

Then what? Jonah in the whale's belly? Daniel in the lions' den? the virgin birth? the resurrection?

Where does it stop?
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