Hebraic mindset

ghost of winter · #1 14th December 2010, 06:13 PM

ive heard a lot about how its necessary to have a hebraic mindset when studying the scriptures. would anyone care to tell me how this can be achieved?

ChavaK · #2 14th December 2010, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ghost of winter

ive heard a lot about how its necessary to have a hebraic mindset when studying the scriptures. would anyone care to tell me how this can be achieved?

I'm interested too, because I don't think a "Hebraic mindset" exists. It's seems to be something coined by the Messianic community.
I'm looking forward to the responses.

GuardianShua · #3 14th December 2010, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by ghost of winter

ive heard a lot about how its necessary to have a hebraic mindset when studying the scriptures. would anyone care to tell me how this can be achieved?

Although the terminology is BS, it just simply means to understand the mind set of the prophets. The prophets were very much into parables and riddles. It is not a lost cause though, because the scriptures interpret themselves. It also helps to know about biblical history.

Tishri1 · #4 14th December 2010, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by ChavaK

I'm interested too, because I don't think a "Hebraic mindset" exists. It's seems to be something coined by the Messianic community.
I'm looking forward to the responses.

yes you do lol to me it means knowing what different terms means or meant rather to the folks of that day...maybe we can give him some examples

when someone says the cock crowed as Peter betrayed Jesus/Yeshua for instance

What was the cock(it wasnt a rooster as they were not to be found around the temple)

It was the Priest who woke at first light and announced the opening of the temple doors

how do we know well I dont have it right in front of me but others may, but there are no roosters or chickens anywhere near the temple as they could easily get inside and they are not clean animals and could bring their chicken do do mess into the temple with them,..... no the guy who called out that the temple is open did that everyday, that was his duty and he was doing that at the moment Peter said for the third time he didnt know Jesus

there are other examples too.....

MikhaelDavid · #5 14th December 2010, 09:00 PM

Ah I get it... It is what is said in my circles but without the same name. We either call it cultural contextualizing or "What did it mean to such and such in those days".

Example we would use (without getting into any debate on the subject on this thread), What did the word Hymn mean in the days of Paul and not what it means now. And How was the Psalter called thus by using a Triadic Expression of the Hebrew Culture, Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual Songs" or another Triadic Expression such as "Sign, Wonders, and Miracles".. So thinking Hebraic Culturally for contextual interpretations of scriptures...

Michael

Originally Posted by Tishri1

yes you do lol to me it means knowing what different terms means or meant rather to the folks of that day...maybe we can give him some examples

when someone says the cock crowed 3 times as Peter betrayed Jesus/Yeshua for instance

What was the cock(it wasnt a rooster as they were not to be found around the temple)

It was the Priest who woke at first light and announced the opening of the temple doors

how do we know well I dont have it right in front of me but others may, but there are no roosters or chickens anywhere near the temple as they could easily get inside and they are not clean animals and could bring their chicken do do mess into the temple with them,..... no the guy who called out that the temple is open did that everyday, that was his duty and he was doing that at the moment Peter said for the third time he didnt know Jesus

there are other examples too.....

ContraMundum · #6 15th December 2010, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Tishri1

when someone says the cock crowed as Peter betrayed Jesus/Yeshua for instance

What was the cock(it wasnt a rooster as they were not to be found around the temple)

It was the Priest who woke at first light and announced the opening of the temple doors

how do we know well I dont have it right in front of me but others may, but there are no roosters or chickens anywhere near the temple as they could easily get inside and they are not clean animals and could bring their chicken do do mess into the temple with them,..... no the guy who called out that the temple is open did that everyday, that was his duty and he was doing that at the moment Peter said for the third time he didnt know Jesus

Who is teaching that?

yedida · #7 15th December 2010, 04:48 AM

It can also be Western: I think therefore I am
Against the Eastern: I do therefore I am.

A "right mindset" needs both, one without the other is useless.
In fact, it should be "I hear, I understand, I think, and I do, therefore Ii am."
Missing any of those steps can spell disaster

cyberlizard · #8 15th December 2010, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by ghost of winter

ive heard a lot about how its necessary to have a hebraic mindset when studying the scriptures. would anyone care to tell me how this can be achieved?

i think what you'll find is that people who talk about an Hebraic mindset as opposed to a Greek one, really mean something akin to the difference between abstract ideas (a typically philosophical way of thinking) used by many early church leaders which pulls much of its styles of thinking and interpreting the scriptures from an almost platonic line of reasoning, to that of an touchy feely, down to earth, this present age, not pie in the sky abstraction which as someone says is the route of the Prophets. More here and now, less pie in the sky.

Steve

p.s. some on here will say the Hebraic thinking vs Greek thinking idea is a lot of nonsense, but all you have to do is read the early church teachings after 200ce or so and you'll see what I mean. Its all about fitting God into a box so we can attempt to pigeon hole and understand something we will never understand.

Heber · #9 15th December 2010, 06:21 AM

Technically it is simple, good exegesis. Faced with a text one needs to read it in context and cross reference it to other, related texts. Then the question that one needs to address is: why did that writer, at that time, feel it was so important to write that particular part of scripture, as opposed to all that other detail that is NOT recorded in scripture.

One needs to deal with these things in the light of some knowledge about Biblical Judaism, society as it was in the set time frame and, if you are able, some knowledge of Biblical Hebrew.

This applies, of course, just as much to Greek as it does to Hebrew. In fact, probably more so with Greek because the Hebrew has been translated into Greek and some of the meaning is lost in the translation (no it's not just the title of a film!). Now some will, no doubt, say that the latter testament was written in Greek but that is not necessarily so, as the vast majority of academics will tell you. Much of it was penned by scribes, though dictated by Paul, or Timothy or whatever, possibly in their native tongue, and so the scribe uses his Greek thought to translate it. This is really where having that 'Hebrew mindset' comes into play: it means that if, and only if, one has a good understanding of the earlier testament will one ever understand the latter testament in all its glory!

One cannot simple remove the earlier testament from the Bible and go just with the latter. That is what I call loose leaf believers - they tear out the pages they don't like and keep the rest or... it is like eating a toffee with the wrapper still firmly in place - you may get a sense of the flavour but you'll never know the whole flavour unless you unwrap it before eating it!

yedida · #10 15th December 2010, 06:46 AM

That's right!! There is sooo much to be learned in the Hebrew Scriptures.
Just as a for instance: churchianities' views on the adulterous woman, what happened to Annias and Sapphira, the water and the blood flowing from Yeshua all line up beautifully to Torah teachings. Instead, the traditional Christian is given really bad teachings on these things.
They are busy building a house with no sure foundation. Rather than do the work, they lead people to believe the MJ's are leaning on their "works" and they couldn't be further from the reality of the truth. It IS the grace of Hashem that allows us to even delve into that daunting Book!! Without the faith which comes by grace we Gentiles wouldn't have the first idea that the Temple we are even has a foundation already laid and waiting, and the Jews wouldn't have a clue that the Temple rebuilding has begun on that old, sturdy, sure foundation!!