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Alert The great whore on seven MOUNTAINS, NOT seven hills!

Israel and Judah were related Iron Age kingdoms of the ancient Levant. This history of Israel and Judah runs from the first mention of the name Israel in the archaeological record in 1209 BCE to the end of a nominally independent Judean kingdom in 6 CE.
The two kingdoms arose on the easternmost coast of the Mediterranean, the westernmost part of the Fertile Crescent, between the ancient empires of Egypt to the south; Assyria, Babylonia, and later Persia to the north and east; and Greece and later Rome across the sea to the west. The area involved is relatively small, roughly 100 miles north to south and 40 or 50 miles east to west.
Source: History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The great whore rests on seven mountains...

The LORD's 'empire' of the Old Covenant was based on Mount Sinai.
The LORD's kingdom is now based off of Mount Zion.

What great, overarching empires were there, oppressing God's chosen people?

Egypt. Assyria. Babylon. Persia. Greece. Rome.

What will be the seventh?

Judging from Daniel's vision, of the feet made of iron mingled with clay, which the Rock not cut with hands will smash, the seventh great overarching empire will be a full-fledged United Nations: atheistic, scientific, and attempting to be monolithic -- yet the iron cannot stand strong with the clay.

You see, the 'ten toes' of the feet in Daniel's vision correlates to the 'ten kings' in Revelation 17, which correlates to the 'tribulation ten days' warning given to the church Smyrna. (Also, the 'receive power one hour' correlates to the 'hour of temptation' spoken of to the church Philadelphia.)

The number 'ten' is likely more symbolic than anything, representing all of the nations that will band together in the confusing times of natural disasters, depleting resources, and overarching lawlessness.
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i agree, the seven are moutains, not hills. moutains represent authority.
she sits on them, representing her authority over all theirs.

the seven moutains represent the seven heads of the red beast, who all do come under authority of satan.

the whore is the spirit of jesebel, who has authority over satan, without his knowing.

when he finds out, and befor his fall, he will burn her with fire.
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The great whore rests on seven mountains...

The LORD's 'empire' of the Old Covenant was based on Mount Sinai.
The LORD's kingdom is now based off of Mount Zion.

What great, overarching empires were there, oppressing God's chosen people?

Egypt. Assyria. Babylon. Persia. Greece. Rome.

What will be the seventh?

Judging from Daniel's vision, of the feet made of iron mingled with clay, which the Rock not cut with hands will smash, the seventh great overarching empire will be a full-fledged United Nations: atheistic, scientific, and attempting to be monolithic -- yet the iron cannot stand strong with the clay.

You see, the 'ten toes' of the feet in Daniel's vision correlates to the 'ten kings' in Revelation 17, which correlates to the 'tribulation ten days' warning given to the church Smyrna. (Also, the 'receive power one hour' correlates to the 'hour of temptation' spoken of to the church Philadelphia.)

The number 'ten' is likely more symbolic than anything, representing all of the nations that will band together in the confusing times of natural disasters, depleting resources, and overarching lawlessness.
The Book of Enoch
You are on a right track, not that we will completely understand until the events unfold, as all prophecy is hidden until it comes to pass, on exactly what, and how, it will happen.
Look at Enoch and the mountains -lots about mountains in Enoch that relate to the kingdoms of this world and rulers of darkness in heavenly places. -http://www.summascriptura.com/html/Enoch_1_RHC.htm


Here's one: 52:6
And these mountains which thine eyes have seen,
The mountain of iron, and the mountain of copper, and the mountain of silver,
And the mountain of gold, and the mountain of soft metal, and the mountain of lead,
All these shall be in the presence of the Elect One
As wax before the fire,
And like the water which streams down from above upon those mountains,
And they shall become powerless before his feet.
7And it shall come to pass in those days that none shall be saved,
Either by gold or by silver,
And none be able to escape.
8And there shall be no iron for war,
Nor shall one clothe oneself with a breastplate.
Bronze shall be of no service,
And tin shall be of no service and shall not be esteemed,
And lead shall not be desired.
9And all these things shall be denied and destroyed from the surface of the earth,
When the Elect One shall appear before the face of the Lord of Spirits."
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I was so blind I did not see: the seventh already WAS! The seventh was the Turkish Ottoman Empire that overtook Constantinople in the 1400s! And when it was dissolving, who had just cropped up to partition its territories? The League of Nations -- which has evolved into the United Nations!

John said the beast 'was, and is not, and shall ascend' and also that the beast is 'the eighth, and of the seven.' Since Rome 'was' at that time, and the Ottoman empire wasn't yet there, it must be one of these five:

EGYPT (Egypt)
ASSYRIA (Iraq)
BABYLON (Iraq)
PERSIA (Iran)
GREECE (Greece)

All of those except Greece (99% Orthodox) are Muslim! And it would sure seem to me that Iran has a lot going on right now -- nuclear development, and they are sitting on some of the largest oil reserves... anyone want to help me study this stuff some more?
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I was so blind I did not see: the seventh already WAS! The seventh was the Turkish Ottoman Empire that overtook Constantinople in the 1400s! And when it was dissolving, who had just cropped up to partition its territories? The League of Nations -- which has evolved into the United Nations!

John said the beast 'was, and is not, and shall ascend' and also that the beast is 'the eighth, and of the seven.' Since Rome 'was' at that time, and the Ottoman empire wasn't yet there, it must be one of these five:

EGYPT (Egypt)
ASSYRIA (Iraq)
BABYLON (Iraq)
PERSIA (Iran)
GREECE (Greece)

All of those except Greece (99% Orthodox) are Muslim! And it would sure seem to me that Iran has a lot going on right now -- nuclear development, and they are sitting on some of the largest oil reserves... anyone want to help me study this stuff some more?
Sure. Iran sits on more than just oil...they've got HUGE natty gas deposits. Regardless...I don't think their oil/gas makes them a major player. Russia has more oil and gas. We've got more natty gas....and probably more oil (unproven). Iran is FAR behind us and other military powers. They have regional influence...that's it. AND...they could be neutralized easily by Russia, Israel, U.S., China...shoot...probably even Turkey. Iran has dug-in and I'm sure they can do a lot of harm regionally...and can send the price of oil skyrocketing by stopping exports and shutting down the gulf. But it wouldn't take us long to get the gulf open again.

If you're looking for the 8th...why could that not be the U.S.???? Just curious...and not as well-informed as you.

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seven mountains in hebrew would be
sheba(rh) horim

NETBible: Horim
HORITE; HORIM [ISBE]

HORITE; HORIM - ho'-rit, ho'-rim (chori, chorim; Chorraioi): Denoted the inhabitants of Mt. Seir before its occupation by the Edomites (Dt 2:12). Seir is accordingly called Horite in Gen 36:20,30, where a list of his descendants is given, who afterward mixed with the invading Edomites. Esau himself married the daughter of the Horite chieftain Anah (Gen 36:25; see 36:2, where "Hivite" must be corrected into "Horite"). The "Horites" in their "Mt. Seir" were among the nations defeated by the army of Chedorlaomer in the age of Abraham (Gen 14:6).

The Hebrew Horitc, however, is the Khar of the Egyptian inscriptions, a name given to the whole of Southern Palestine and Edom as well as to the adjacent sea. In accordance with this we find in the Old Testament also traces of the existence of the Horites in other parts of the country besides Mt. Seir. In Gen 34:2; Josh 9:7, the Septuagint (Cod. A) more correctly reads "Horite" instead of "Hivite" for the inhabitants of Shechem and Gibeon, and Caleb is said to be "the son of Hur, the first-born of Ephratah" or Bethlehem (1 Ch 2:50; 4:4).

Hor or Horite has sometimes been explained to mean "cave-dweller"; it more probably, however, denotes the "white" race. The Horites were Semites, and consequently are distinguished in Dt 2:12 from the tall race of Rephaim.
deut 2
17that Jehovah speaketh unto me, saying,

18Thou art passing over to-day the border of Moab, even Ar,
19and thou hast come near over-against the sons of Ammon,
thou dost not distress them, nor stir up thyself against them,
for I do not give [any] of the land of the sons of Ammon to thee [for] a possession;
for to the sons of Lot I have given it [for] a possession.
20`A land of Rephaim it is reckoned, even it;

Rephaim dwelt in it formerly, and the Ammonites call them Zamzummim;
21a people great, and numerous, and tall, as the Anakim,
and Jehovah destroyeth them before them, and they dispossess them, and dwell in their stead,

22as He hath done for the sons of Esau, who are dwelling in Seir,
when He destroyed the Horim from before them,
and they dispossess them, and dwell in their stead, unto this day.

23`As to the Avim who are dwelling in Hazerim unto Azzah,
the Caphtorim -- who are coming out from Caphtor -- have destroyed them, and dwell in their stead.


24`Rise ye, journey and pass over the brook Arnon; see, I have given into thy hand Sihon king of Heshbon, the Amorite, and his land; begin to possess, and stir up thyself against him [in] battle.
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If you're looking for the 8th...why could that not be the U.S.???? Just curious...and not as well-informed as you.

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John wrote that the beast "was, is not, and shall ascend." And that he is the eighth, and "of the seven". Since the beast "was", he must be one of the five that "are fallen".

Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Persia
Greece

The US was not around until 1776... far too late to be a beast that 'was and is not' in John's time, and it does not fit the 'seven mountains' because it is not one of the 'five fallen' that had oppressed God's people.

And then we see the beast has the mouth of a lion (Babylon), the body of a leopard (Greece) and the feet of a bear (Persia.) The feet are what gives the beast its 'foothold' theoretically -- Persia is now known as Iran. The mouth of the lion, Babylon (southern Iraq) suggests that maybe the 'little horn' is from Iraq (also, the mention of 'The Assyrian' in the prophets, which Assyria is northern Iraq) but I'm not well studied on why it would have the body of the leopard.
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The whore is the adulterous bride of Christ Jesus. The hills/mountains are the continents on which she commits her harlotry.
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