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Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
What it comes down to is salvation and sanctification are being muddied around, and a clear understanding isn't achievable if a person believes Catholic doctrines.

I would have all to be saved. I want my Catholic friends at work to truly know the Lord, but again, I know enough about ***official*** Roman Catholicism to know that it isn't completely Biblical.
Personnally I think that Catholics have a much greater opportunity to understand salvation and sanctification than you do, which you obviously have shown you do not understand just from this post. I would also question you knowledge of "official" Catholic teachings or your history. Or you would know that you owe alot to the Catholic church. Your Bible, some of your understandings from the Bible, etc. Our belief on justification is an understanding of what the whole teaching of the Bible reflects and not a watered down version from certain "picked" verses that disregard many other verses that teach something "other" than what you believe.

Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
Regarding Catholicism as a whole, and individual Catholics... I do believe some are saved, but not because of performing x, y, and z that the canons and dogmas declare a person must do in order to stand before Christ. Again, the lines between salvation and sanctification are muddied or blurred, and many, and I say millions, upon millions have been deceived in their understanding of how a person is saved. How this fits into God electing, I cannot entirely understand. But what I do know is I want everyone on this message board to come to salvation, through the Lord's power, and to be with me in glory.
Jesus says that we must be born "again" of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter in the kingdom of God (John 3:5). He also says that anyone that eats of his flesh (Eucharist) shall live forever (John 6:52). In Luke 18: 18-22, a ruler asked Jesus what he should do to inherit eternal life. Jesus spoke the commandments and also told him to follow him. A similar passage is found in Luke 10:26-28, where a lawyer asks Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life and Jesus asked him what is written in the law. The lawyer says the two chief commandment (Love of God & Love of neighbor) and Jesus responded "you have answered well. Do this and you shall live."

The truth is you are only embracing the beginning of the journey but you are not travelling it. You have been blinded and you don't know it. Read the Bible, especially the Gospels with an open heart and you may be surprised what Jesus teaches you.
Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
Regarding some of the secondary issues about faith alone, I personally do not believe Luther was a saved man, ever... I've done enough study to conclude that the man was still deceived, and is in hell right now (he believed in faith alone through baptism). I also believe that the vast majority within independent fundamental baptist churches aren't fully versed on understanding the doctrines of grace, but I do believe that a huge majority is indeed saved, not because of a prayer, but of God through his choosing of them for salvation.
You have not the right to judge anyone. Only God has that right. To say that anyone is surely in hell is not your place and shows that you still have a long way on this journey.

Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
But as for those who are Catholics, again, the vast majority are deceived. Those who claim to be a true christian, yet stay within the church thinking it's alright or ok, really are deceived. Those who indeed become true Christians usually will turn away from Catholicism because the Lord inside of them is leading them away from it. Then there are the blessed few that the Lord allows to stay inside to reach out to those who are truly deceived.
I agree that the majority of Catholics are deceived. By the teachings of this world, heresies, secular doctrine, etc. Most don't even know what the Church trully teaches and why it teaches what it teaches. That is the reason why so many are deceived. But the truth is many "Catholics" that are swayed to go to another church are not turned away as you say it. You must first have a direction before you are turned away and most "Catholics" do not have that.

I remember once that a "former Catholic" tried his best to convince me that the Church taught reincarnation. These are the types of "Catholics" you are getting.

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Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
What it comes down to is salvation and sanctification are being muddied around, and a clear understanding isn't achievable if a person believes Catholic doctrines.
Which doctrines?
Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
I would have all to be saved. I want my Catholic friends at work to truly know the Lord, but again, I know enough about ***official*** Roman Catholicism to know that it isn't completely Biblical.
Our salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. I don't know what you believe to be true but it doesn't appear that you know much.

Catholics, though, are no different than other Christians. We have some that are very rich in faith and some that are poor in faith.

Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
Regarding Catholicism as a whole, and individual Catholics... I do believe some are saved, but not because of performing x, y, and z that the canons and dogmas declare a person must do in order to stand before Christ.
I don't know x, y, and z are? We teach the necessity of faith. Through faith we do works. Those works do not save us, our faith does.

Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
But as for those who are Catholics, again, the vast majority are deceived. Those who claim to be a true christian, yet stay within the church thinking it's alright or ok, really are deceived. Those who indeed become true Christians usually will turn away from Catholicism because the Lord inside of them is leading them away from it. Then there are the blessed few that the Lord allows to stay inside to reach out to those who are truly deceived.
I am a Catholic because God brought me here, so to leave would be disobedience to the Father. Those that fail to understand what the Church actually teaches will leave at times and find a Church which they are comfortable in. I'm happy for them.

What is your count for those, supposedly blessed few? Millions?

You only show the you do not know Christianity but what BJU claims to teach. Hopefully, in time, as the Spirit of God grows in you, you will recognize the folly of what you say.
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Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
I plead with Catholics... the entire debate between us hinges upon salvation alone. Sure there are secondary matters, but this is the key thing...

You think it's evil that we preach salvation by faith alone, but that's what is biblical. When a person is saved they'll produce good works, but you don't do good works to become saved.

Infant baptism isn't needed for salvation, God has to open the heart first, and after you're saved, you must be baptized only to show you're faith.

Please reject the false doctrines of Roman Catholicism, look to the Lord alone to save you, and be saved, then reach out to those that are still holding to the false doctrines.
Did you go to Dublin Christian Academy by any chance? In case you don't know, it is the Pre-K-12 school that is taught by 99% Bob Jones students, and acts as a kind of Pre-BJU prep school. If you did, we might know each other! I went their for a while as a kid.

By the way, If I where you, I would not be so dogmatically confident in your positions (To put it lightly), much wiser men then you and I have stood on either side of these issues, all in touch with the Holy spirit and all with an earnest desire to find the truth. If you asked anyone of them If the Bible taught their position, they would reply an unequivocal "Yes". Investigate with an open mind, and realize Catholics are not rejecting parts of the Bible, they are interrupting it diferently then you, and the interpretation of scripture is quite difficult, there is room for misunderstanding by even the wisest men (Like Bob Jones).
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Originally Posted by bibleblevr View Post
Did you go to Dublin Christian Academy by any chance? In case you don't know, it is the Pre-K-12 school that is taught by 99% Bob Jones students, and acts as a kind of Pre-BJU prep school. If you did, we might know each other! I went their for a while as a kid.
No I didn't. Sorry.
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BJU and it's founder were certainly off on an extreme tangent. It has changed some of its former practices but has a long way to go.

Do you remember the Jones-Billy Graham dispute? Mom used to like to watch Graham but there was a feud between him and Jones.
I was a fundy myself when I lived in SC and knew many people who went to Bob Jones, and no interracial dating was allowed. I hope that this has changed but I have my doubts.
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Originally Posted by Bob Jones Student View Post
What it comes down to is salvation and sanctification are being muddied around, and a clear understanding isn't achievable if a person believes Catholic doctrines.

I would have all to be saved. I want my Catholic friends at work to truly know the Lord, but again, I know enough about ***official*** Roman Catholicism to know that it isn't completely Biblical.

Regarding a question that was brought up on how someone is saved. I personally abhor the sinner's prayer, and altar calls because of the issues of people being deceived. I also believe that salvation from beginning to end is through the Lord and of the Lord... I also believe in election, and for reasons unknown to us, that God, ultimately, has not chosen everyone for salvation. However fully regeneration is to be understood, I cannot declare, but I do know... it isn't because of us choosing through a sinner's prayer, or some kind of baptism in order to be regenerated. God regenerates, we believe in and upon the Lord Jesus Christ and are saved.

Regarding Catholicism as a whole, and individual Catholics... I do believe some are saved, but not because of performing x, y, and z that the canons and dogmas declare a person must do in order to stand before Christ. Again, the lines between salvation and sanctification are muddied or blurred, and many, and I say millions, upon millions have been deceived in their understanding of how a person is saved. How this fits into God electing, I cannot entirely understand. But what I do know is I want everyone on this message board to come to salvation, through the Lord's power, and to be with me in glory.

Regarding some of the secondary issues about faith alone, I personally do not believe Luther was a saved man, ever... I've done enough study to conclude that the man was still deceived, and is in hell right now (he believed in faith alone through baptism). I also believe that the vast majority within independent fundamental baptist churches aren't fully versed on understanding the doctrines of grace, but I do believe that a huge majority is indeed saved, not because of a prayer, but of God through his choosing of them for salvation.

But as for those who are Catholics, again, the vast majority are deceived. Those who claim to be a true christian, yet stay within the church thinking it's alright or ok, really are deceived. Those who indeed become true Christians usually will turn away from Catholicism because the Lord inside of them is leading them away from it. Then there are the blessed few that the Lord allows to stay inside to reach out to those who are truly deceived.

In short, you really have no idea who is and is not saved, but you arbitrarily choose to claim that Roman Catholics generally aren't True Christians™. Basically anyone who disagrees with you is most likely not a True Christian™. That doctrine sounds oddly familiar.....
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I was a fundy myself when I lived in SC and knew many people who went to Bob Jones, and no interracial dating was allowed. I hope that this has changed but I have my doubts.
I don't think that that rule has been dropped yet. They did allow blacks in back in the 80's, I think it was.

Maybe you can help shed light on going from a Fundy to an Eastern Orthodox?

I was a Baptist in my early teens but quit because of the hateful and angry sermons of the Minister. I don't recall the prior Ministers being like that one but it was enough to drive me away.
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Does Bob Jones still do that thing where men and women have segregated, designated walking zones so they can't fraternize lustfully on the sidewalks?

I remember I once read their student handbook out of curiosity. If I hadn't gotten it from their website, I would have guessed that it was some parody, the list of things that are considered violations, and the corresponding punishments are absolutely absurd.

Bob Jones University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Strict rules govern student life at BJU.[123] Some of these are based directly on the University's interpretation of the Bible. For instance, the 2005-06 Day Student Handbook states, "Loyalty to Christ results in separated living. Dishonesty, lewdness, sensual behavior, adultery, homosexuality, sexual perversion of any kind, pornography, illegal use of drugs, and drunkenness—all are clearly condemned by God's word and prohibited here." Grounds for immediate dismissal include stealing, immorality (including sexual relations between unmarried students), possession of hard-core pornography, use of alcohol or drugs, and participating in a public demonstration for a cause the University opposes.[124] Similar "moral failures" are grounds for terminating the employment of faculty and staff. In 1998, a homosexual alumnus was threatened with arrest if he visited the campus.[125]




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or instance, rules include the requirement that freshman resident hall students sign out before leaving campus and that all resident hall students abide by curfew. Students are forbidden to go to movie theaters or listen to contemporary popular music.[128]"
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Does Bob Jones still do that thing where men and women have segregated, designated walking zones so they can't fraternize lustfully on the sidewalks?

I remember I once read their student handbook out of curiosity. If I hadn't gotten it from their website, I would have guessed that it was some parody, the list of things that are considered violations, and the corresponding punishments are absolutely absurd.

Bob Jones University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Strict rules govern student life at BJU.[123] Some of these are based directly on the University's interpretation of the Bible. For instance, the 2005-06 Day Student Handbook states, "Loyalty to Christ results in separated living. Dishonesty, lewdness, sensual behavior, adultery, homosexuality, sexual perversion of any kind, pornography, illegal use of drugs, and drunkenness—all are clearly condemned by God's word and prohibited here." Grounds for immediate dismissal include stealing, immorality (including sexual relations between unmarried students), possession of hard-core pornography, use of alcohol or drugs, and participating in a public demonstration for a cause the University opposes.[124] Similar "moral failures" are grounds for terminating the employment of faculty and staff. In 1998, a homosexual alumnus was threatened with arrest if he visited the campus.[125]




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"or instance, rules include the requirement that freshman resident hall students sign out before leaving campus and that all resident hall students abide by curfew. Students are forbidden to go to movie theaters or listen to contemporary popular music.[128]"



Oh, I did find this:

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  • Residence hall students may not watch videos above a G rating when visiting homes in town and may not attend movie theaters."
http://www.bju.edu/become-a-student/.../residence.php
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Originally Posted by Yarddog View Post
I don't think that that rule has been dropped yet. They did allow blacks in back in the 80's, I think it was.

Maybe you can help shed light on going from a Fundy to an Eastern Orthodox?

I was a Baptist in my early teens but quit because of the hateful and angry sermons of the Minister. I don't recall the prior Ministers being like that one but it was enough to drive me away.
Fortunately, I had started going to Southern Baptist churches after a few years of attending an independent Baptist church. I had started going away fundamentalism long before I became Orthodox. I had pretty much stopped going to church several years before I came to Orthodoxy. I'm afraid that I pretty much thought God the Father and God the Son were pretty much opposites (the only comparison I can come up with is Jeckel and Hyde or good cop/bad cop)--Christ was the loving merciful one while God the Father was vengeful and angry and couldn't wait to nail me. I ran from God for a long time because of this. I realize now that I thought God the Father was some kind of monster.
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