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Originally Posted by KIYX View Post
And obama is the guy who spent more in half a term than bush did in 8 years of war.
Wrong
$21,015,000,000,000 2001-2008

vs.

$7,239,000,000,00 2009-2010

And if cost of government goes down as predicted over the next several years, President Obama will end up spending much less in his two terms than Bush did.

I wish you partiers would start using facts. You would all change sides if you would actually look at the facts instead of following the party line blindly......
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Originally Posted by DuneSoldier View Post
I don't know that necessarily suspending a fuel tax is a good thing. I kind of think we should be funneling more money towards alternative fuels. Part of the way we can do that is slowly artificially increase the price of gas...
What most people don't understand is that gas taxes do not artificially raise the cost of fuel. The cost of fuel includes road maintenance, environmental damage, etc. Big oil conservatives like to hide those costs by having them paid from other tax streams. The fact is that the real cost of fuel is around $5/gallon. So when I pay $2.50 at the pump the cost isn't artificially increased, it's artificially reduced.

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HA!! Lord obama could be a great leader, just not for the United States of America. He has no character and no principles. I'm glad he's been exposed for the fraud that he is, and that the only thing he does well is read from a teleprompter.
Really? He seems to be doing an okay job from what I can see. Nothing overwhelmingly brilliant, admittedly, but then nothing outstandingly abysmal either.

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Originally Posted by David Brider View Post
Really? He seems to be doing an okay job from what I can see. Nothing overwhelmingly brilliant, admittedly, but then nothing outstandingly abysmal either.

David.
I, like most Americans, am not impressed by European opinions. If you want an American understanding of why Obama and his political philosophy is crashing and burning so spectacularly read Victor David Hanson: http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/president-4060/?singlepage=true

1) A bad agenda. Nearly every issue the president embraces polls against him, often at a 3-1 margin. Cap and trade, amnesty, state-run health care, more bailouts, takeovers, deficits, taxes, and the national debt. His vision is the same as that of the EU circa 1990 — one that even Europe now rejects as a failure.

The answer to every challenge is to found a new program, borrow billions to run it, hire millions more loyal to the progressive gospel of public employment, and demagogue any who oppose it. The public is starting to see that the president’s ideology is really a mixture of the Ivy League, the left-wing of the Democratic Party, the tired canards of the black caucus, extremist residuals from Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers, and twenty years of university multicultural, utopian pacifist, and moral equivalent indoctrination. His Democratic Party is not one with half the House Democrats and does not appeal to liberal independents. He’s the sort of progressive professor whom the proverbial new student comes home at Thanksgiving to quote to a shocked parent..

We are simply not going to accept a political system determined to dominate and completely control our lives.
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No I wouldn't want a President McCain - Vice President Palin administration, and that's why I didn't vote Republican in 2008 (I didn't vote Democratic either.)

If the ticket had been President Palin - Vice President McCain, I would have enthusiastically voted for that ticket!
The very idea of Sarah Palin as president scares the crap out of me. I'd vote for Snoopy if she were running and I didn't like the other candidate.


Whether or not Obama turns out to be a good, bad or mediocre president there is this comforting thought - if you really dislike him you can vote him out in 2 more years. I just hope we have a decent choice by then.
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The very idea of Sarah Palin as president scares the crap out of me. I'd vote for Snoopy if she were running and I didn't like the other candidate.
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What most people don't understand is that gas taxes do not artificially raise the cost of fuel. The cost of fuel includes road maintenance, environmental damage, etc. Big oil conservatives like to hide those costs by having them paid from other tax streams. The fact is that the real cost of fuel is around $5/gallon. So when I pay $2.50 at the pump the cost isn't artificially increased, it's artificially reduced.

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1) A bad agenda. Nearly every issue the president embraces polls against him, often at a 3-1 margin.
Reality is that most of hist agenda is overwhelming supported before the Republican ammendments are added. The health care proposal that Obama first put out was supported by nearly 3/4 of Americans. It wasn't until Reps got literally everything they wanted added to that bill in exchange for their vote (every singe one lied) did support plummet.

Cap and trade,
Which was a Republican proposal.

amnesty,
What amnesty?

state-run health care,
Overwhelming supported.

more bailouts,
Which stated under Bush and was supported by Reps at the time.

takeovers,
No takeovers occured.

deficits
Reagan stated the path toward huge deficits and he is seen as a conservative hero.

taxes
Obama lowered taxes for most Americans.

and the national debt.
See comment on deficit.

...Ivy League, the left-wing of the Democratic Party, the tired canards of the black caucus, extremist residuals from Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers, and twenty years of university multicultural, utopian pacifist,.
You are clearly an elitist. I travel quite a bit and I will tell you that you don't find much elitisism in big cities or universities; I've never seen anything but respect for hard working, average Americans from those places. The current breed of elitism is found in rural America; I see lots of contempt for city dwellers and intectuals when I visit rural areas.
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The very idea of Sarah Palin as president scares the crap out of me. I'd vote for Snoopy if she were running and I didn't like the other candidate.
Um, Snoopy is a 'he' ...and if you cast your lot with Obama, you did vote for Snoopy:

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I see lots of contempt for city dwellers and intectuals when I visit rural areas.
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