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24th September 2010, 08:51 PM
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24th September 2010, 09:45 PM
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25th September 2010, 04:34 PM
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25th September 2010, 05:04 PM
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Reps: 1,008,025,187,147,289,600 (power: 1,008,025,187,147,333) | | Originally Posted by ArmyMatt  St Brendan the Navigator also had a short lived colong around Newfoundland and New England.
Several hundred years before Columbus, might I add!
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25th September 2010, 06:38 PM
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25th September 2010, 06:50 PM
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Reps: 184,029,514,354,317,600 (power: 184,029,514,354,329) | | | Most of the North American saints were born abroad and arrived later. The most noteable are the russian missionaries to Alaska. St Peter the Aleut was indeed a native alaskan. He was an aleutian eskimo who was martyred in California during a russian expedition. He was a native of north america born in alaska but back when it was russian territory. When we say northamerican saints we usually mean those who served here and upon their passing were first venerated by members of the orthodox churches in america.
Alaska was a bishopric of the Moscow based Russian church. In 1900 St Tikhon who was head of the 'diocese of the Aleutian Islands and Alaska" changed it to diocese of the aleutian islands and north america. So it depends on what one means when they says american saint or canadien saint or north american saint.
There are 'american' born saints who were born here but actually made a name for themselves abroad and thus remain unknown in the land of their birth. St. Varnava was born in the United States but his parents moved back to Yugoslavia when he was a child. He became a bishop and after his death was glorified a saint of the Serbian church.  |
25th September 2010, 08:13 PM
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Reps: 82,018,237,066,644,240 (power: 82,018,237,066,649) | | Originally Posted by MKJ Thanks. If I recall correctly, St Brendan in the New World is considered doubtful by scholars - does the OC teach that he came here for sure?
I can't comment on what the Church's opinion is, but I thought you might be interested in reading this: Amazon.com: The Brendan Voyage (Modern Library Exploration) (9780375755248): Tim Severin, Malachy McCourt: Books
This guy ^ used St Brendan's Vita to map his route to the American continent from the same starting point, to the same destination, in the same primitive leather-and-timber coracle... and he made it. Interesting stuff! |
26th September 2010, 07:19 AM
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Imagine that: St. Brendan could have made it to North America without all of the high tech gear that later sailors used. Who would have thought?
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26th September 2010, 04:48 PM
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26th September 2010, 08:33 PM
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Reps: 619,951,127,609,553,536 (power: 619,951,127,609,564) | | Originally Posted by Coralie
Yeah, I heard about that fellow. I think he was nuts - the North Atlantic in a coracle! I would be seasick before I was out of the harbour.
But I'm not surprised at all it could be done Michael, look at the feats of navigation by the Polynesians, who didn't even have the benefit of the North Star. But I think I would prefer a canoe on the Pacific to a coracle on the Atlantic myself.
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Rise, heart, thy lord is risen. Sing his praise
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Who takes thee by the hand, that thou likewise
With him may'st rise:
That, as his death calcinèd thee to dust,
His life may make thee gold, and, much more, just.
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