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24th September 2010, 10:21 PM
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25th September 2010, 12:10 AM
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Reps: 4,446,822,502,958,666,752 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ttfn  Now we all know that Christians twist and change everything to suit their belief but this is just blatant lying,
it changes from not understanding a sentence to not understanding anything at all.
No, you repeatedly demonstrate you don't have any clue what Christianity IS.
Therefore, what you openly mock (and violate many forum rules in so doing, btw  ) has no bearing on your statements. Originally Posted by ttfn Are you trying to tell us that if another religion offered you a better deal than you are going to get with Christianity you would convert? are you only with Christianity because it promisers you more than the others?
they are promises and nothing else, not one of them can deliver anything other than a nice warm feeling.
You greatly err, because you know neither the power of G-d nor the Scriptures. Some of us actually know Him!
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25th September 2010, 07:40 PM
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Reps: 176,161,718,440,662,656 (power: 176,161,718,440,669) | | Originally Posted by razeontherock Thank you, but doesn't their being infused w/ G-d's own Life always get put off til the hereafter?
Islam means "surrender" only with no mention of salvation; surrender to an unknown god known only to muhammad.
On Resurrection: no good deeds allows salvation
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise." (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet's companions) said, 'Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?' He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me." So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah." Bukhari, Book 70, Hadith 577
muslims worship muhammad due to these hadith. muhammad made himself intercessor for all muslims (people who swear to his "allah" thru shahadah).
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, "For every Prophet there is one invocation which is definitely fulfilled by Allah, and I wish, if Allah will, to keep my that (special) invocation as to be the intercession for my followers on the Day of Resurrection." Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 566
from these two hadith, I see a dreamer who wanted to be the interecessor of multitudes in this new religion, but also was not sure of his own salvation because he doubted his "allah's" will or power.  |
25th September 2010, 08:41 PM
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cf. "Golden Rule"
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25th September 2010, 08:56 PM
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On Resurrection: no good deeds allows salvation
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise." (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet's companions) said, 'Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?' He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me." So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah." Bukhari, Book 70, Hadith 577
muslims worship muhammad due to these hadith. muhammad made himself intercessor for all muslims (people who swear to his "allah" thru shahadah).
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, "For every Prophet there is one invocation which is definitely fulfilled by Allah, and I wish, if Allah will, to keep my that (special) invocation as to be the intercession for my followers on the Day of Resurrection." Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 566
from these two hadith, I see a dreamer who wanted to be the interecessor of multitudes in this new religion, but also was not sure of his own salvation because he doubted his "allah's" will or power. |
26th September 2010, 02:24 AM
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26th September 2010, 10:35 AM
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Reps: 304,016,181,343,682,816 (power: 304,016,181,343,703) | | Originally Posted by razeontherock Thank you, but doesn't their being infused w/ G-d's own Life always get put off til the hereafter?
Just as in Christianity, Islam has a rainbow of ideas and beliefs on most any subject. For instance, the Sufies totally believe that a being can be infused with God in this life.
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26th September 2010, 10:37 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SithDoughnut Here's a slightly off-topic question. Why do you think that because Christianity sounds more appealing, that it must be true?
It has to do with G*d answering prayers thru Christ.. something you will never know. |
26th September 2010, 10:44 AM
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Reps: 304,016,181,343,682,816 (power: 304,016,181,343,703) | | Originally Posted by SanFrank Islam means "surrender" only with no mention of salvation; surrender to an unknown god known only to muhammad.
I don't understand all of the falsehood you spread. Allah is well known to Muslims. Have you ever looked at the 99 names of God? Actually, there's more than 99. Open up your heart and experience them all.
The way I understand it is that if one were to follow the three aspects of the Christian Trinity down to where they become One, you would start to get an idea of the Muslim experience of Allah.
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26th September 2010, 12:19 PM
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Reps: 671,138,758,507,202,560 (power: 671,138,758,507,214) | | Originally Posted by Masihi It has to do with G*d answering prayers thru Christ.. something you will never know.
Does anyone have an actual answer that isn't an attempt at a put-down?
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