Florida Pastor Who Vowed to Burn Korans Billed for Security; Says Church Would Go...

...Bankrupt

Gainesville Will Bill Terry Jones at Least $200K; Preacher Says Church Will Move

Continued- http://abcnews.go.com/Business/security-bill-planned-koran-burning/story?id=11685048

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Serves him right. Came back & bit him.

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I agree. And I know when we have a big football game and need extra security the university foots that bill.

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How can they provide services and not tell you you're going to be charged until after the fact? That's not fair. That's as dumb as those "crash taxes."

Yeah, the pastor is an idiot and deserves to be fined, but I would rather that he was not being fined because it is a bad legal precedent.

I mean, let's break this down. Guy ticks off certain people by saying admittedly stupid things. Said people then launch all sorts of threats. City ups security, and then charges bill to idiot who sparked off the incident. But when you get down to it, nothing that he did was illegal, or arguably a security risk. It was the reaction from certain Mohammedans which caused the problems, not the statements directly. It may look like I'm deflecting blame here, but imagine the following: A man publicly humiliates another. He says all sorts of insults and lies to the point that the other man is justifiably enraged. Let's even say that the other man's mother, children and religion are denigrated by the statements so that it's extra personal. Next day, man #2 shoots the first man and kills him. While the first man was out of line and could have been sued for slander (had he lived) the second man is still going to be tried for murder.

To make it more simply, I think that the undercurrent here is that it is okay for followers of Mohammad to react to insults (even blasphemous insults) with violence. This only makes sense if they are nonrational, like a guard dog or a wild bear. A human being would be culpable.

The second problem is that the supposed security (I don't doubt that the town acted to increase security, but I highly doubt that it specifically tried to protect this one church like it would a football stadium during a big game or the like) is that the charge came after the fact. Moreover it was for a service that is impossible to verify. The state comes up after things have settled down and says: "oh by the way, you owe us for $200,000 worth of security.

While the actions of the pastor were stupid, I'd like to stress that there's nothing illegal about them. This means that it is easy to draw parallels between this case and certain hypotheticals which are not objectionable. For instance, suppose that in late August your city was to inform you that you owed them a large sum for extra security. When asked for what they respond, "well you had that party on the Assumption, and you were really up front with the Catholic nature of the event. The local KKK chapter didn't take kindly to that and made various threats. So don't worry! We set up some extra security for you. And now you just have to pay the bill (by the way we aren't seeking any legal action or further investigation into those that threatened you...)"

I know that's an artificial example, but I chose it because the more relevant and realistic ones would be controversial and I don't want to detract from my main point.

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And that is where he may have a legal case if they did not tell him. Then again in many there are a lot of things in the city's favor since the services were above and beyond what a municipal service is and it came about out of the pastors action. Should be interesting how it plays out.

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But when you get down to it, nothing that he did was illegal, or arguably a security risk.

I agree.
So we really aren't as free as politicians pretend?

We have the freedom of speech.
The ones who should pay are the ones who made the threats.

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Last i knew - terroristic threats mandated jail time.

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Yeah, though I don't exactly support the guy, I can't say I think this is fair either. I am not exactly sure it's constitutional either. I think you could make the case that it is an indirect infringement of his first amendment rights. I will have to ask my polisci prof on Tuesday while we're still on the subject of constitituonality.

I hope this goes to the courts because it'd be interesting to see how it all plays out.

The interesting spin is that it is in a college town. College towns are used to universities footing the bill for extra services for things like security. Happens all the time. Here at Penn State it happens several times a year.

So in a way municipalities in college towns are spoiled that way because there are unique relationships that are nod and wink and do not translate in normal city life.

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