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16th September 2010, 06:43 PM
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Nope, you're not conscious for that. You are unconscious.
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Oh wow. and I'm now conscious of the fact that "conscious" and "conscience" are two different words.
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16th September 2010, 09:37 PM
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Reps: 193,785,381,170,647,040 (power: 193,785,381,170,653) | | Originally Posted by dewaddict84  Nope, you're not conscious for that. You are unconscious.
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Oh wow. and I'm now conscious of the fact that "conscious" and "conscience" are two different words.
Oye, sorry about that, don't mind me.
Should,nt worry about it too much, It,s the biggest copout going anyway.
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17th September 2010, 12:53 AM
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18th September 2010, 01:05 AM
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Reps: 4,446,822,502,958,666,752 (power: 0) | | | Durango, your seeker icon tells me you're not a believer? Could be as much of an atheist as anybody else here?
I've never seen an atheist admit to objective morality before; pretty cool. Well put, too. |
18th September 2010, 02:02 AM
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Reps: 101,863,865,432,678,752 (power: 101,863,865,432,686) | | Originally Posted by razeontherock Durango, your seeker icon tells me you're not a believer? Could be as much of an atheist as anybody else here?
I've never seen an atheist admit to objective morality before; pretty cool. Well put, too.
I think we derive morality from the basic facts of good human living, which are essentially objective.
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18th September 2010, 08:27 AM
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Reps: 296,547,682,833,091 (power: 296,547,682,836) | | Originally Posted by Robban What is conscience?
Is it some kind of Divine device that guides us to choose between right or wrong?
I am of the understanding that it is a simple tape recorder, The first things we hear and learn are recorded. Like doing this is a NO, doing this is a YES. When we get older, say early teens we may get curious about things which are a NO on the tape recorder, Just once wont hurt, so one tries it out, and one does not get 40,000 volt through the body, then maybe another go at another NO, and so on, until the tape is wiped clean, Because some, at times say they had a guilty coscience over something, others may say no, I don,t have a guilty conscience at all over anything. Some have said in the "If there was no Bible" thread that we have been given a conscience. So any ideas or opinions?
Are you actually muslim?
You did find something special as seen in your OP but i will not point it out to you. Common sense tells me to let you choose correctly before revealing anything. No pearls to just anyone.  |
18th September 2010, 10:09 AM
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. and sorry but what do you mean by 'essentially objective'?
Out there in the world, visible to everyone.
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18th September 2010, 02:55 PM
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Religious people are so narrow minded, they think the world revolves around them and their beliefs,
NEWS FLASH...... there are BILLIONS of people on this planet and not one of them think or believe the same as you..
First, I'm not religious.
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Second, almost every single person, deep down, values the exact same things I do: love, friendship, freedom, health, material security. THESE are the things from which morals ultimately derive, imo.
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18th September 2010, 05:41 PM
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Reps: 594,894,417,076,687,872 (power: 594,894,417,076,696) | | I'm going to say that conscience is more of an intellectual mechanism for making judgments about right and wrong, and dealing with the consequences (guilt) of the chosen action. I would guess it's dependent on a mix of how one is raised, cultural norms, and maybe a little bit of genetics.
The following clip is from Les Miserables. Our hero, Jean Val Jean (mayor and factory owner), wrestles with his conscience. Does he allow an innocent, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] man go to prison in his place after he skipped parole years ago, or does he turn himself in, go back to the chain gang for the rest of his life, while endangering the lively hood of everyone in town.
(24601 is Val Jean's prison number)
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18th September 2010, 06:52 PM
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Reps: 193,785,381,170,647,040 (power: 193,785,381,170,653) | | Originally Posted by awitch I'm going to say that conscience is more of an intellectual mechanism for making judgments about right and wrong, and dealing with the consequences (guilt) of the chosen action. I would guess it's dependent on a mix of how one is raised, cultural norms, and maybe a little bit of genetics.
The following clip is from Les Miserables. Our hero, Jean Val Jean (mayor and factory owner), wrestles with his conscience. Does he allow an innocent, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] man go to prison in his place after he skipped parole years ago, or does he turn himself in, go back to the chain gang for the rest of his life, while endangering the lively hood of everyone in town.
(24601 is Val Jean's prison number)
I like your reply,and appreciate all responses hopefully I can make my point. Though not at this moment it is already 1am, and a few hours after the 26hr break. | | |
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