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Consummation...

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What is the consummation? Consummation of what? There is only one place in which the consummation is mentioned in scripture.. so if it is referenced in other parts of scripture, it is not by the word consummation.

"Consummation" the word itself in hebrew..

"Takliyth" means

end, perfection, consummation, completion, completeness end completeness

"Teleiosis"

a completing, a perfecting fulfilment, accomplishment the event which verifies the promise
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Here is a translation from the LXX

9:27 He shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate; and even to the full end, what is determined shall be poured out on the desolate.”
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From the Mesorah Heritage Foundation translation from Hebrew:

27 He will forge a strong covenant with the great ones for one septet; but for half of that septet he will abolish sacrifice and meal-offering, and the mute abominations will be upon soaring heights, until extermination as decreed will pour down upon the mute [abomination].
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The Lamb is the groom, the body of all true believers is the Bride. In any form of marriage the union only becomes complete at the consummation - the end of the period of waiting for the promise that was previously made to be fulfilled. It is marked by the arrival of the groom and the willing giving of ones self as the bride, in spiritual terms. This is all about the end times when Yeshua takes us, as a groom would take his bride, to his father's house, where there are many rooms - he told us that this is so! There the banquet table will be set out in the sight of our enemies (those who have been anti us because we are believe in Yeshua, or just anti G_d, and are now in hell) and our cup will overflow (unlike those who will have no cup to quench their thirst), and will be full to the brim, signifying life and joy in Yeshua. The consummation refers to these times - the final giving of groom to bride and bride to groom, to live together to eternity - there is no death to make us part from each other, as with earthly marriage, and no divorce (you cannot divorce G_d in heaven!!!).

There is so much more to this symbolism but I haven't the time to write it. Try reading through passages that relate to the theme of marriage in some way: promise (communion is a sign of that - this is the new promise in my blood... - as are both ET and LT, both of which should be called The Promise, not testaments), think in terms of wedding banquets etc etc. (Avoid the in-laws as there won't be any in heaven!).

Are our lamps filled with oil and our wicks trimmed for the consummation, or will we be like the lazy brides who miss out?

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If the consummation is the wedding then what is "that determined"?
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Vis - there's a syntax error in your question... can you correct and re-post it?
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Daniel 9:27 JS version (JPS 1917): "During one week he will make a firm covenant with many. For half a week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the meal offering. At the corner (of the altar) will be an appalling abomination until the agreed destruction will be poured down on the appalling thing"
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It has nothing to do with a wedding. It has to do with the destruction of both the city and its desolator. Where in the world did a marriage come into the text? The first place you should always turn is to the text itself, which has nothing to do with a marriage/wedding but everything to do with the destruction of the city. The “consummation” is both the end of the war and the end of the punishment that was decreed to be poured out on those who had caused the incitement.
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Exactly so - at the great wedding feast spoken about in the latter testament. That is when the city will be destroyed and the new Jerusalem will come down, beautifully dressed like a bride for her husband (Revelation) and the abomination will be destroyed. However, if you do not accept the latter testament you would not see this (Isaiah 29:9-14, perhaps?).

Context is paramount, I agree, but one must read Scripture as a whole - a wider context; a good exegete will look to see below the words on the page and find the allusions and references to other parts of Scripture and measure the whole. Daniel is a well known prophecy of the arrival of Yeshua and these passages in particular relate directly to his teaching as well.
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Daniel is a well known prophecy of the arrival of Yeshua and these passages in particular relate directly to his teaching as well.
You don't expect me to agree with this statement, do you?
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