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Christianity, DMT, Opening Third Eye

So... I've heard Christains are against the whole "Third Eye" thing... Why is that? I've been told people who take DMT (I don't see DMT as a drug since the human bodys produce it) experience God or Spiritual beings and become enlightened... I will tell this to a Christian and they reply saying it is a demonic force controlling them. Really? Are you sure? They have been awakened spiritual and believe it is of God and that is Satan? When thinking about it, it makes Satan seem like a good guy compared to the holy spirit.

I personally believe opening the 'third eye' is a way to experience God spiritually. I don't believe that it is Satan.

What do you think????

PS: Ever hear of a artist by the name Alex Grey? Well, he is a great artist who paints mostly spiritual themed paintings. Which, he has taken acid, lsd and dmt and says that they have gave him visions and paints what he sees in the visions (maybe i got this wrong, correct me if you know Alex).
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Originally Posted by Capuano231 View Post
So... I've heard Christains are against the whole "Third Eye" thing... Why is that? I've been told people who take DMT (I don't see DMT as a drug since the human bodys produce it) experience God or Spiritual beings and become enlightened... I will tell this to a Christian and they reply saying it is a demonic force controlling them. Really? Are you sure? They have been awakened spiritual and believe it is of God and that is Satan? When thinking about it, it makes Satan seem like a good guy compared to the holy spirit.

I personally believe opening the 'third eye' is a way to experience God spiritually. I don't believe that it is Satan.

What do you think????

PS: Ever hear of a artist by the name Alex Grey? Well, he is a great artist who paints mostly spiritual themed paintings. Which, he has taken acid, lsd and dmt and says that they have gave him visions and paints what he sees in the visions (maybe i got this wrong, correct me if you know Alex).
If you think taking illicit drugs is somehow a door to God may I suggest you seek out a counsellor.
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Its a hallucinogen which brings you to an altered state that the enemy does indeed use as an open door into people. Playing with this stuff is very dangerous.

Jesus said the only way to the Father is Himself. There is no other way.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
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DMT, IIRC is a pretty heavy duty drug, and people have to be pretty experienced drug users to cope with it. Getting to the point where one could take it would get one tangled up pretty deep into drug culture I think.
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Originally Posted by Capuano231 View Post
So... I've heard Christains are against the whole "Third Eye" thing... Why is that? I've been told people who take DMT (I don't see DMT as a drug since the human bodys produce it) experience God or Spiritual beings and become enlightened... I will tell this to a Christian and they reply saying it is a demonic force controlling them. Really? Are you sure? They have been awakened spiritual and believe it is of God and that is Satan? When thinking about it, it makes Satan seem like a good guy compared to the holy spirit.

I personally believe opening the 'third eye' is a way to experience God spiritually. I don't believe that it is Satan.

What do you think????

PS: Ever hear of a artist by the name Alex Grey? Well, he is a great artist who paints mostly spiritual themed paintings. Which, he has taken acid, lsd and dmt and says that they have gave him visions and paints what he sees in the visions (maybe i got this wrong, correct me if you know Alex).
Ok, I kinda get where you're coming from.

Coincidentally I have been reading up on DMT and spiritual experiences lately having read the book "DMT the spirit molecule" and only see two possibilities:

1. People on DMT are just totally whacked out and think they're seeing into a spiritual plane of existence.

2. DMT does somehow allows a person's consciousness to disassociate from their body into spirit world.

However even if 2 is correct and while there is a little bit of evidence that supports it, it's not nearly conclusive enough. Even if it is true, if you read the literature on this subject, the beings that were encountered we often times not very nice and would pose in any sort of form to deceive those who encountered them

If you go by a biblical worldview, and I would assume you'd have one since your profile says you're a Christian. God commands in the OT never to contact the spirit world.

So I guess the real questions would be why would you want to contact the spirit world when God explicitly commands not too and many people who do encounter these entities whatever they are that put them through traumatic experiences?

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Originally Posted by Capuano231 View Post
So... I've heard Christains are against the whole "Third Eye" thing... Why is that? I've been told people who take DMT (I don't see DMT as a drug since the human bodys produce it) experience God or Spiritual beings and become enlightened... I will tell this to a Christian and they reply saying it is a demonic force controlling them. Really? Are you sure? They have been awakened spiritual and believe it is of God and that is Satan? When thinking about it, it makes Satan seem like a good guy compared to the holy spirit.

I personally believe opening the 'third eye' is a way to experience God spiritually. I don't believe that it is Satan.

What do you think????

PS: Ever hear of a artist by the name Alex Grey? Well, he is a great artist who paints mostly spiritual themed paintings. Which, he has taken acid, lsd and dmt and says that they have gave him visions and paints what he sees in the visions (maybe i got this wrong, correct me if you know Alex).
Sounds like new age to me...either way drugs are drugs and I don't need them to experience God. If someone does then I think they have a problem in more ways than one.
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I am a Born Again Christian and have taken DMT a couple of times. Be careful and be prayed up before you ever consider it. It isn't a recreational drug and doesn't serve any purpose but a spiritual one.
If you do it. Be prepared to integrate the experience into your spiritual life before doing it again. It only takes 1 or 2 experiences with it, to get all you need.
As I read above, people consider it a drug. It isn't a drug. It is a substance formed in the pineal gland that you choose to access.
Also if you do it, be prayed up. Don't stand there and look around and say "Oh My God..Oh My God" It is easy to to want to justy look around and take in the sights, keep your eyes on the revelation.
I have documented one of my experiences & makes for an interesting read.
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Originally Posted by Capuano231 View Post
So... I've heard Christains are against the whole "Third Eye" thing... Why is that? I've been told people who take DMT (I don't see DMT as a drug since the human bodys produce it) experience God or Spiritual beings and become enlightened... I will tell this to a Christian and they reply saying it is a demonic force controlling them. Really? Are you sure? They have been awakened spiritual and believe it is of God and that is Satan? When thinking about it, it makes Satan seem like a good guy compared to the holy spirit.
I personally believe opening the 'third eye' is a way to experience God spiritually. I don't believe that it is Satan.

What do you think????
I cannot think it is safe or of God in any form. I am reminded of some Bible passages that might truly enlighten us on this thread.

We find that Satan is subtle, in fact more subtle than one might think.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made.

We know that this is a direct referral to Satan because of the passage in Revelation which describes Satan.
Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

The Bible also tells us how Satan appears to people.
2nd Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

We also know, from the Bible, who our real enemy is.
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh andblood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

I hope this helps.

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Ahhh the pineal gland. I too have wondered about this and thought about "bringing about" my own spiritual experience. Personally, i decided against it because if anyone should be taking initiative when entering the spiritual realm and how much you see, it should be God. For one to take it into their own hands could be very risky. In any case, i'll be interested to know what you do.
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Originally Posted by Wolvrin704 View Post
Its a hallucinogen which brings you to an altered state that the enemy does indeed use as an open door into people. Playing with this stuff is very dangerous.

Jesus said the only way to the Father is Himself. There is no other way.

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

All you need to find God is to open your heart to Him.
This guy got it right.




But more seriously:
Why do some of you seem to think it is OK to consume a drug, because it is naturally occurring in the human body?

Some of you need to understand that wisdom and understanding are given to us by God, not reached by our contrived attempts at reaching out to him, especially so if it involves breaking the law.

Important note: given to us by God doesn't mean you can reach a stretched rationalizing by saying:
God put DMT in our body
DMT can be synthesized by humans
If I take DMT, I'm not breaking the law for enjoyment, I'm breaking the law to be enlightened!!!

This is full of important to note fallacies:
1.
That since we produce DMT, and we can synthesize it, that taking it is okay, because we are using it to reach God, and breaking the law with "holy" (haha) intentions.

Untrue because:
Jesus says, above, that the only way to the Father (God, who embodies Love, Wisdom, Righteousness, etc.) is through him. Not our own inventions or leanings. How can you possibly get enlightened by mixing unnecessary law-breaking with "study" of God???!!! see:

Romans 6:1
...Should we continue in sin, that grace may abound?


2. That We can break the law when it serves a higher purpose.

Can you come closer to God without taking drugs? Can you come closer to god with legal drugs (memory supplements, etc.)? Do you need that particular drug, with complete justification of it being used specifically, to get closer to Jesus? No, you don't. Preachers of the past, great and small, didn't need them. The apostles didn't need them. God wants you to put in hard work and forget about shortcuts. There are no shortcuts when it comes to God.

You also can't say that man's laws are trumped by God's laws. In the big picture, obviously God's laws trump Man's, but you can't break them. Unless the laws prevent you from fulfilling your duty as a Christian (Pray, Read the bible, and worship/preach), we are told explicitly to obey them.

see:
1 Peter 2:13-17
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 15 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.


3. The concept of enlightenment coming from within and being direct towards God.

This one bothers me.

You can't enlighten yourself. You are a creature of sin, how can you use your (sinful) mind to bring about holiness? That is ridiculously absurd just by the premise alone.

Let's bring the bible verses out about this one:
1 Peter 1:13-16

13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

See that in verse 14? The bible tells us to not use our way of thinking. To be like children who rely on God and his teachings, not sinners who rationalize with their logic of man.

Another important part of this is the fact that drugs don't jive with the holy spirit. The holy spirit is given to guide us and help us learn. Essentially, God says he gives us everything we need to learn and grow at the moment of salvation. The holy spirit.

Look at these verses in John 16:13-15
(words of Jesus)
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.



You can't downplay the importance of the holy spirit, rationalize the unnecessary and illegal, and put a "be sure you are all prayed up!!! warning on it. That warning alone shows you know your behavior is dangerous.

Does God want you doing dangerous things that could (rather, should) be done other ways?

wineart I'm praying for you.
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