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Praying and meditating today, I found a difference between islam, judaism and christianity that is worth sharing. First off, I rejected islam for multiple reasons such as the absence of witnesses, its contradiction to the injeel, the absence of prophets from line of ishmael, angelic revelation contradicting other angelic revelations such as mormonism, the need for israel to have enemies in the latter days, etc, etc.
To continue, Jesus uses the term "truth" as a synonym meaning something else. It is a keyword that refers to the way a person should choose to live.
"...for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." John18:37
The Law which came by Moses was ordained by angels. The wars that insued against israel's enemies did not demonstrate the way of life. There is never a reason to kill another. There is no reason to give offense. Jesus, as representing G*d, came healing sinners, and raised sinners from the dead. Jesus never killed anyone. That is the way of life. The testimony he gave, the truth, is to Love one another. That is G*d's "way" which each person should select. Moses, muhammad, and Genghis Khan, were all wrong (though the Law was accomplished by Jesus). Jesus' testimony is the one I selected 20 years ago and it continues to be confirmed in my person as the only testimony to select and follow.
I refuse the testimony of muhammad. I could never swear an oath to the qur'anic "allah", or do the shahadah; it is swearing an oath to a testimony that allows for the murder and deception of brethren. If you swear to follow this "allah", you are subjecting yourself to it's punishments should you fail to follow all of its precepts. More likely than not, the angels of qur'anic hell will be waiting for your arrival. The only freedom from this is thru Jesus and accepting Jesus' testimony over muhammad's.
Last edited by Kufffar; 5th September 2010 at 01:31 AM.
Jesus never killed anyone. There is never a reason to kill another.
Most people, founders of religion or not, have never killed anyone.
Chrisitans have certainly killed their share of people. All in his name.
Jesus condemned those who do not believe in him to eternal hell.
Is not this worse than physical death?
Jesus never gave life either...he never had children. Directly breaking
the commandment of be fruitful and multiply.
And I disagree-their are times and good reasons for causing the death of another. Would you not kill to preserve your life, or the life of your loved ones, if a direct threat presented itself?
I disagree-their are times and good reasons for causing the death of another. Would you not kill to preserve your life, or the life of your loved ones, if a direct threat presented itself?
Precisely. I hate bringing Nazis into a topic, BUT… the attempt to extirpate all Jewry from Europe instigated by Nazi Germany DEMANDED a violent response in order to stop such terrible atrocities. Had everyone ‘turned the other cheek’… I dread to think what the world would be like now.
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Precisely. I hate bringing Nazis into a topic, BUT… the attempt to extirpate all Jewry from Europe instigated by Nazi Germany DEMANDED a violent response in order to stop such terrible atrocities. Had everyone ‘turned the other cheek’… I dread to think what the world would be like now.
Yes....and for a "what if".....if someone had killed Hitler just before he came into power..think of the millions and millions of lives that would not have been snuffed out.
Precisely. I hate bringing Nazis into a topic, BUT… the attempt to extirpate all Jewry from Europe instigated by Nazi Germany DEMANDED a violent response in order to stop such terrible atrocities. Had everyone ‘turned the other cheek’… I dread to think what the world would be like now.
I hate to break it to you, but... the Allies did not enter the war to fight crimes against humanity. In fact, as sad as that is, the rampant anti-semitism earned Hitler's Reich lots of SYMPATHY with European neighbours as well as abroad.
Looking back, attributing the war effort to a desire to stop such terrible atrocities is tempting, because it would have been the right thing to do, but the fact remains that WW2 was no more of an ethical war than any other. Had Hitler and his confederates not attacked and alienated pretty much every major player in the field, no one would have cared what happened to some ethnic minority in his country.
Sad, but true: anti-semitism was pretty much a universal phenomenon throughout the "west", prior to WW2.
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Most people, founders of religion or not, have never killed anyone.
Chrisitans have certainly killed their share of people. All in his name.
we know the answer to that... the people doing the killing were incorrect
Jesus condemned those who do not believe in him to eternal hell.
Is not this worse than physical death?
You said it, the choice is everyone's. Make the right choice.
Jesus never gave life either...he never had children. Directly breaking
the commandment of be fruitful and multiply.
the law also requires the father to support his kids. Knowing the outcome of his life on earth, why would he enter such a responsibility as fatherhood? Is not G*d a spiritual father rather than physical?
And I disagree-their are times and good reasons for causing the death of another. Would you not kill to preserve your life, or the life of your loved ones, if a direct threat presented itself?
There is the option of only injuring a person in self-defense. Shoot the leg, not the chest. Then the righteous can mend the injured.
Looking back, attributing the war effort to a desire to stop such terrible atrocities is tempting, because it would have been the right thing to do, but the fact remains that WW2 was no more of an ethical war than any other. Had Hitler and his confederates not attacked and alienated pretty much every major player in the field, no one would have cared what happened to some ethnic minority in his country.
True. Jews begged the US to bomb the railroad tracks to the death
camps, and were turned down.
I hate to break it to you, but... the Allies did not enter the war to fight crimes against humanity. In fact, as sad as that is, the rampant anti-semitism earned Hitler's Reich lots of SYMPATHY with European neighbours as well as abroad.
Looking back, attributing the war effort to a desire to stop such terrible atrocities is tempting, because it would have been the right thing to do, but the fact remains that WW2 was no more of an ethical war than any other. Had Hitler and his confederates not attacked and alienated pretty much every major player in the field, no one would have cared what happened to some ethnic minority in his country.
Sad, but true: anti-semitism was pretty much a universal phenomenon throughout the "west", prior to WW2.
This was one sentiment/viewpoint at the time but not the only one. The prevailing view of atrocity emerged especially once the camps were made public. Let's refrain from anti-semitic viewpoints. This thread has quickly gone off course. Refer to the OP..
There is the option of only injuring a person in self-defense. Shoot the leg, not the chest. Then the righteous can mend the injured.
It's not that easy. It is quite conceivable shooting someone in the leg is not going to stop them if they are amped up on drugs. A person who is 10 feet away from you can cover that distance in a very short period, and while you are more worried about saving them, you endanger yourself and others around you.
The leg is much harder to hit if one is not a good marksman. Those who
have taken firearms training are told to aim for the torso. You have the
greatest odds of stopping the person, and you have the lowest odds of
missing and hitting someone else. At least this is what I was taught.
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