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28th August 2010, 08:39 PM
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Reps: 104,900,667,092,570,912 (power: 104,900,667,092,574) | | Originally Posted by hikersong  So which sort of Atheism do you believe in antz?
A: (antichrist)
or B: (ethical) 
An atheist person has no God to gage their perception of morality on, so their morality grows from their observations of what is "good" and what is "bad" on the principle that the observer will sympathise with either the victim or the criminal. I believe this is a better approach than some Christians take, which is to form opinions based on second-hand opinion. If these opinions are only skin deep (as in believing the words without understanding them), then the opinionated Christian will reek of judgment and condemnation.
So yes, there may be an atheist person who can be describes as both A) and B). It seems you like to get yourself confused, I however have a very clear vision of what I am trying to say, so dig away if you still don't understand what I am saying: Atheist = good balance of self-discovered morals and ethics, bad sympathy for whispers from the antichrist spirit.
I'll show you this verse which came on my daily devotion email, maybe you can see why Christians might regard atheism as evil while still admitting to admire certain aspects of it: August 28, 2010
I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn over what is going to happen to me, but the world will rejoice. You will grieve, but your grief will suddenly turn to wonderful joy.
John 16:20, NLT
What a contrast between the disciples and the world! The world rejoiced as the disciples wept, but the disciples would see him again (in three days) and rejoice. The world’s values are often the opposite of God’s values.
This can cause Christians to feel like misfits. But even if life is difficult now, one day we will rejoice. Keep your eye on the future and on God’s promises!
And remember, this is why the world hates Christians: John 15
18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.'[b] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.
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Psalms 25:14
Friendship with God is reserved for those who reverence him. With them alone he shares the secrets of his promises.
Galatians 5:22-23, NLT
But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!
Worship the true God: ISAIAH 44:6-23
Ephesians 3:12
In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.
Psalms 17:15
But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and knowing all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will be fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face.
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28th August 2010, 08:39 PM
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28th August 2010, 08:44 PM
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28th August 2010, 09:00 PM
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Reps: 37,126,581,888,830,848 (power: 37,126,581,888,839) | | Originally Posted by hamashiachagape Before this Atheism used to be called Secular Humanism. That doctrine known as the Humanist Manifesto. Its all the same thing.
Man....you are all mixed up! 
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28th August 2010, 09:04 PM
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So what to say for your "church for Atheism" then? You still have that problem.
But to prove my point, going to a Secular Humanist's website, we see this - "Secular humanists accept a world view or philosophy called naturalism, in which the physical laws of the universe are not superseded by non-material or supernatural entities such as demons, gods, or other "spiritual" beings outside the realm of the natural universe." http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...t§ion=main Naturalism is the same thing as Atheism. And when do we ever see Evolution separated from Atheism?
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28th August 2010, 09:08 PM
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28th August 2010, 09:12 PM
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Reps: 37,126,581,888,830,848 (power: 37,126,581,888,839) | | Originally Posted by hamashiachagape
Boy, you're really reaching aren't you? 
If you read their About page you would see that the website was set up so that people could become ordained (or find marriage officials) to perform marriages without having all of the religious mumbo jumbo involved. It has nothing to do with the organizing of atheists or any kind of atheist "doctrine". It is basically a spoof set up (i.e."first church") in order to offer these services to those seeking a religion free ceremony (and who don't want to go to a JoP).
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28th August 2010, 09:14 PM
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If you read their About page you would see that the website was set up so that people could become ordained (or find marriage officials) to perform marriages without having all of the religious mumbo jumbo involved. It has nothing to do with the organizing of atheists or any kind of atheist "doctrine". It is basically a spoof set up (i.e."first church") in order to offer these services to those seeking a religion free ceremony (and who don't want to go to a JoP).
Not really. See here in their FAQ " Can atheism really have a church?
A church is defined as an association of people who share a particular belief system. So yes, a church of atheism can really exist. Where is the First Church of Atheism located?
The FCA is located atop the lush rolling hills of Levittown, Pennsylvania. What do I have to do to start my own congregation?
Once you become an ordained minister, you can begin preaching to a congregation immediately. FAQ :: First Church of Atheism
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28th August 2010, 09:16 PM
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Reps: 104,900,667,092,570,912 (power: 104,900,667,092,574) | | Originally Posted by Glass*Soul Hi antz. You gave me a chuckle. Let's make a deal. I'll let South Park define the nature of atheism right after you allow it to define the nature of Christianity.
You shouldn't take South Park so seriously, it is a joke! Yes I love the jokes they make about religion, especially starvin' Marvin in space, that has to be the funniest religious joke I have heard.
To be serious though, as a Christian I believe only Jesus can define Christianity. I know this because I was converted by reading 3 verses (but it took about a week of intense seeking of truth before I was prepared to accept the Bible). Having had my eyes opened to the truth about life from Jesus' POV with just one quote from the Bible has given me a stronger faith than is possible without God. Prior to this I would have argued that South Park was the richest source of enlightenment.. I still love it though, those guys make some brilliant satire.
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Psalms 25:14
Friendship with God is reserved for those who reverence him. With them alone he shares the secrets of his promises.
Galatians 5:22-23, NLT
But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!
Worship the true God: ISAIAH 44:6-23
Ephesians 3:12
In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.
Psalms 17:15
But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and knowing all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will be fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face.
Razeontherock
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28th August 2010, 09:16 PM
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