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Old 27th August 2010, 11:56 AM
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What is the Biblical response to the sins of others?

It is no secret that I interpret the so-called "clobber passages" concerning "homosexual acts" very narrowly (They describe very specific acts under very specific circumstances.) while most other conservative Christians interpret them very broadly (They are merely specific examples of a category of sins.) However, unlike most other conservative Christians I do not think that I've captured the mind of God, and so I acknowledge that I might be mistaken.

So let's pretend that you've convinced me. That I've come around and now agree that all "homosexual acts" are always sinful, regardless of circumstance. Now what? What is the proper Biblical response to sinners?

Please be specific as to circumstances. Tell me, for example that your advice applies to a gay couple moving in next door and wanting to be friends. Or that it applies to them offering to watch your 13 year old son after school because you work late. Or that it applies to their son (the natural son of one by a previous marriage) petitioning the school (public school) to sponsor a Gay-Straight alliance. Or any other reasonable scenario. It is especially effective if you use actual, specific examples from your own life.

Also, please be very specific as to Biblical justification for the specifics of your advice. Chapter and verse. But remember, you are not trying to convince me that they are sinners, you are advising me how to interact with sinners. Repeating the Leviticus 20:13 only applies if your advice is to stone them.

Finally, if your advice is not the same advice that you would give if the sinners were a straight couple living outside of marriage, or a couple who have been divorced and remarried, or if there is domestic abuse in the home, or any other sin, then explain exactly why this case is different, again using Biblical principles, citing chapter and verse.
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Old 27th August 2010, 12:04 PM
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This will not be the scholarly treatise you are searching for but to my mind there is only one Christian Response to anything.

Love.
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Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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Old 28th August 2010, 02:49 AM
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*Bump!*

Christianity is more than intellectually agreeing with certain principles, it is living a Spirit filled life and following Jesus. Too many people here are content to just condemn those who don't measure up to the perfection in their Christian principles, instead of following Jesus' example, and, indeed, His command. This your chance to step up. Does no one* want to tackle, or even acknowledge the issue?

*I'm not forgetting EC's post (for which I thank him), but his was not one of the voices trying so hard to defend the broad interpretation of the "clobber passages" that the true Gospel message was lost.

Originally Posted by OllieFranz View Post
It is no secret that I interpret the so-called "clobber passages" concerning "homosexual acts" very narrowly (They describe very specific acts under very specific circumstances.) while most other conservative Christians interpret them very broadly (They are merely specific examples of a category of sins.) However, unlike most other conservative Christians I do not think that I've captured the mind of God, and so I acknowledge that I might be mistaken.

So let's pretend that you've convinced me. That I've come around and now agree that all "homosexual acts" are always sinful, regardless of circumstance. Now what? What is the proper Biblical response to sinners?

Please be specific as to circumstances. Tell me, for example that your advice applies to a gay couple moving in next door and wanting to be friends. Or that it applies to them offering to watch your 13 year old son after school because you work late. Or that it applies to their son (the natural son of one by a previous marriage) petitioning the school (public school) to sponsor a Gay-Straight alliance. Or any other reasonable scenario. It is especially effective if you use actual, specific examples from your own life.

Also, please be very specific as to Biblical justification for the specifics of your advice. Chapter and verse. But remember, you are not trying to convince me that they are sinners, you are advising me how to interact with sinners. Repeating the Leviticus 20:13 only applies if your advice is to stone them.

Finally, if your advice is not the same advice that you would give if the sinners were a straight couple living outside of marriage, or a couple who have been divorced and remarried, or if there is domestic abuse in the home, or any other sin, then explain exactly why this case is different, again using Biblical principles, citing chapter and verse.
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Old 28th August 2010, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by EvangelicalChristian View Post
This will not be the scholarly treatise you are searching for but to my mind there is only one Christian Response to anything.

Love.
Pfft. Actually, god hates lots of people and things. He certainly hates homosexuals and all other sinners.
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There is only one circumstance in which we can show mercy, that is when
we are right and the other is wrong.

I'll never be able to show mercy to God. He's never wrong.

I show my gratitude, to God, by showing mercy to others.

May God have us remember the mercy we have received,
when we are wronged.

May we never miss an opportunity to demonstate our gratitude,
by being mercyful to those in the wrong.

May we count it all joy when .....
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Originally Posted by Galilean View Post
Pfft. Actually, god hates lots of people and things. He certainly hates homosexuals and all other sinners.
God has laws thats true

Yet a person who asks a question to Christians is battered by an athiest quoting Judaism from the Jewish Ol Testament

Do you not think your comments are a little window licker.....esque
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Old 28th August 2010, 11:57 AM
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"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed"
Leviticus 20:13

Your failure to comprehend a verse not written in English is duly noted.
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Originally Posted by Galilean View Post
I'm not Poe...that's a picture of Edgar Allen Poe.
I was aware of that. I was not confused (unlike Jase).
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Monarchist, Jase, I would like to personally welcome you to the internet, and perhaps help you identify some of its unique local fauna. Much as I hate to bring the curtain down early, Galilean is not a serious poster, it is a joke account. Instead of responding to it, perhaps you could weigh in on the OP's legitimate questions?

bricklayer, why is 'mercy' only possible when someone is right and someone else is wrong? And what form would 'mercy' take in response to friendly homosexual neighbors in your life? What would you actually do in those circumstances?
Mercy is right-wrong related, but it has more to do with sin and punishment. When someone commits sin, or a wrong, justice holds them guilty and punishes them for it. But mercy, which could be more associated with love, spares the guilty from their just punishment.

What I think bricklayer was getting at is we should be kind to sinners (specifically non-believers?), because Jesus said love thy enemy, as well as holding "Love thy neighbor" as the second highest commandment. I think that addresses your situation you presented.
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I was aware of that. I was not confused (unlike Jase).
I knew he was a Poe! I was just playing along
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