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26th August 2010, 12:43 AM
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26th August 2010, 02:14 AM
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26th August 2010, 08:08 AM
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Reps: 677,466,104,320,408,704 (power: 677,466,104,320,416) | | Originally Posted by mpok1519  No matter how much one whines kicks screams or cries, they're still not apart of the militia. The national guard is our militia.
I am by law a member of the militia. You probably are too. But go ahead and continue living in ignorance and making false claims. Take their guns away; like a child, they'll eventually find another toy to play with. I don't care if you like to hunt, shoot garbage at the shooting range or whatever. Get a new hobby.
A hobby just like freedom of religion, or not being subject to cruel and unusual punishment. People should just man up and let the government use thumbscrews. |
26th August 2010, 08:36 AM
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Here is an article that puts the figure not at 80%, but at 70% and kind of details Reactive Training as it is called today. I know for a fact though I saw it at just over 80% and I'm trying to find that for you even now: Men Against Fire: How Many Soldiers Actually Fired Their Weapons at the Enemy During the Vietnam War » HistoryNet
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That article contradicts what you said. In a squad of 10 men, on average fewer than three ever fired their weapons in combat. ... This was what the highly regarded Brigadier General Samuel Lyman Atwood Marshall ... concluded in a series of military journal articles and in his book, Men Against Fire, about America's World War II soldiers.
Says the figure came from articles and a book about WWII, not from a study about Vietnam. Marshall's claims did not go unchallenged, but despite the disagreements they were [as opposed to "are"] widely accepted as truth both within the nation's military and by those writing about the war and its American fighting force. The American fighting man made sure that these concerns were short-lived. He showed little hesitation to use a rifle, pistol, shotgun, machine gun, grenade launcher or whatever other weapon he carried. He concluded that much had changed since those earlier conflicts and that it was not unusual for close to 100 percent of American infantrymen to engage the adversary during firefights in Vietnam. Some 20 years later, the validity of Marshall's analysis was called into doubt. Only nine of the 1st Cavalry Division veterans reported that they never personally fired on the enemy When asked what portion of their fellow soldiers fired during any given engagement, the veterans estimated that about 84 percent of a unit's men armed with individual weapons (rifles, pistols, grenade launchers, shotguns) and approximately 90 percent of those manning crew-served weapons (generally the M-60 machine gun) did so.
In World War II: In a unit with 500 riflemen, some 80 would not engage.
Meaning 16% failed to engage, in WWII
So we have an article about a guy saying in his book that nobody engaged in WWII, and this was challenged even then, and then he said that everybody engaged in Vietnam, and those findings were challenged. Then it reports less extreme numbers pointing to most people engaging and it is supposedly more accurate to say that about 16% of soldiers in WWII failed to engage the enemy, and probably a similar figure for Vietnam. Very different from claiming that 80% of soldiers failed to fire in Vietnam.
As for body armor being illegal in Texas, I wasn't aware of that. Sounds pretty stupid to me. It's not illegal in NY, I could go buy a vest tomorrow. Doesn't change much though, murder is illegal and so is using a gun to commit crimes and so is carrying a gun for a convicted felon. The thing about criminals is that they don't care about the law. I doubt that kevlar itself is illegal in Texas or anywhere else in the US since it is merely a material used in the construction of many different items. You can make a low level ballistic vest at home fairly easily. If you can't get the kevlar, a piece of 1/4" mild steel will stop handgun rounds.  |
26th August 2010, 12:50 PM
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Reps: 54,806,534,063,437,296 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Schneiderman I am by law a member of the militia. You probably are too. But go ahead and continue living in ignorance and making false claims.
By fact, should you as a member of "militia" choose to patrol your territory under arms, you will find yourself stopped, detained, and taken down by local law enforcement in short order.
A hobby just like freedom of religion, or not being subject to cruel and unusual punishment. People should just man up and let the government use thumbscrews.
We already let them use waterboarding... would it really be that much of a stretch? |
26th August 2010, 01:53 PM
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Reps: 198,903,878,069,869,024 (power: 198,903,878,069,878) | | Originally Posted by mpok1519
Knowledge protects from tyranny moreso than guns and ammo. Infact enough knowledge can make it possible so guns are not even needed for anything whatsoever.
What are you talking about? How is knowledge going to protect from tyranny in the instance where the tyrant and his minions have guns? Do you think they will surrender on the mere basis the other side is smarter?
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26th August 2010, 01:55 PM
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26th August 2010, 02:33 PM
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Reps: 54,806,534,063,437,296 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Schneiderman
Money from the sale of which is going to the Koreans. |
26th August 2010, 02:35 PM
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Reps: 54,806,534,063,437,296 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Grizzly So, in essence, this is just more fear mongering from the right?
Isn't it always? | | |
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