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Unread 22nd August 2010, 05:27 AM
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Sabbath and Bible Keeping Church in UK

Does anyone know if there are many Sabbath and Bible keeping Churches of God in the UK?

When I say Sabbath I mean the biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

And when I say Bible I mean the whole thing both old and new covenant.
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Originally Posted by ImperialJohn View Post
Does anyone know if there are many Sabbath and Bible keeping Churches of God in the UK?

When I say Sabbath I mean the biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

And when I say Bible I mean the whole thing both old and new covenant.
Seventh-day Adventist Church - United Kingdom and Ireland

Can you speak about what you mean by the old covenant and why you think its necessary? By old covenant do you mean old testament?
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Originally Posted by ImperialJohn View Post
Does anyone know if there are many Sabbath and Bible keeping Churches of God in the UK?

I believe you will have a very hard time finding any church that both "keeps" the Sabbath and the bible. They are mutually exclusive.
When I say Sabbath I mean the biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
You will find lot's of Sabbath keepers amongst the Jews. SDA's SAY they keep the Sabbath but they don't, even by their own definition. The Sabbath was a type and shadow of Jesus Christ as Paul illustrated several times.

And when I say Bible I mean the whole thing both old and new covenant.
Again, mutually exclusive. If you are trying to obey the old covenant you CAN't obey the new. You can't be married to 2 people at the same time. Again, see Paul writings about this.

So I'm thinking you aren't going to find a church that is as split as you are asking for.
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I realize this is an old message, but if you are still looking for a Sabbath Keeping Church of God, there are Apostolic Churches of God in the Uk,
United Church of God , Living Church of God, and others that have contacts with the uk.
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Originally Posted by ImperialJohn View Post
Does anyone know if there are many Sabbath and Bible keeping Churches of God in the UK?

When I say Sabbath I mean the biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

And when I say Bible I mean the whole thing both old and new covenant.

the UK is a rather large place, can you be a little more specific?


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Originally Posted by Haldog View Post
You will find lot's of Sabbath keepers amongst the Jews. SDA's SAY they keep the Sabbath but they don't, even by their own definition. The Sabbath was a type and shadow of Jesus Christ as Paul illustrated several times.

Again, mutually exclusive. If you are trying to obey the old covenant you CAN't obey the new. You can't be married to 2 people at the same time. Again, see Paul writings about this.

So I'm thinking you aren't going to find a church that is as split as you are asking for.
There is also the MJ sect of Christianity, but along with keeping the sabbath and food laws, they also require circumcision if I am not mistaken.

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The Philadelphia Church of God or the Living Church of God would probably come closest, but there's no way of knowing what the OP wants when he adds that he's looking for a "Bible keeping" church also. It is possible that what he believes includes Sabbatarianism but, at the same time, rejects the New Testament when it comes to other doctrinal matters.
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus View Post
There is also the MJ sect of Christianity, but along with keeping the sabbath and food laws, they also require circumcision if I am not mistaken.

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I do not know any MJ congregations that 'require' circumcision at all (except of those ethnically Jewish).


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p.s. where do you get your information from?
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Originally Posted by cyberlizard View Post
I do not know any MJ congregations that 'require' circumcision at all (except of those ethnically Jewish).


Steve

p.s. where do you get your information from?
Why would a Gentile want to become a Messianic Jew if not to follow the OC Mosaic Law as the Jews of today do, including circumcision, and how far back do birth records have to go to establish whether one is of Jewish descent.

I do admit, I am a little confused on the circumcision part

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum - Jews, Gentiles, Christians

Since the Abrahamic Covenant is still very much in effect, these four features also involve the Messianic believer both in his position and function. First of all, Messianic Jews are still Jews, for they, like other Jews, are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Secondly, the homeland for the Messianic believer is the Land of Israel, and this is where his primary loyalty should be despite his place of residence. Believing Jews are in the Diaspora, but they are also in the Galuth, the Exile. Thirdly, the Gentile relationship to the Jews in the blessing and cursing aspects are as true for Jewish believers as for other Jews. Messianic believers who are blessed or cursed because of their Jewishness will find the blessers blessed and the cursers cursed. Finally, there is the matter of circumcision. Since Jewish believers still fall under the other provisions of the Abrahamic Covenant, they fall under this one as well. It is my conviction that Messianic Jews should have their sons circumcised on the eighth day.

But does not the Book of Galatians argue against the practice of circumcision? Yes and no. Circumcision for Gentiles, circumcision on the basis of the Mosaic Law, and circumcision for justification or sanctification are all wrong. The Book of Galatians condemns circumcision as a means for justification. Except for health and medical reasons, there is never any need or requirement for Gentile circumcision. Furthermore, Messianic believers who circumcise on the basis of the Law of Moses are also wrong, since the Law ended with the Messiah. But this same book clearly states that the Abrahamic Covenant is still very much in effect with all its features, and this includes circumcision. So circumcision on the basis of the Abrahamic Covenant is right and proper, and it is my conviction that it is still very much in effect for Jewish believers. Paul, who taught the Gentiles not to circumcise, did not so teach the Jews; this is clear from Acts 21:17-26, and from Acts 16:1-3 when he had Timothy circumcised. It was not circumcision per se that was ruled out, rather, circumcision on the basis of Mosaic Law.
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