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22nd August 2010, 11:50 PM
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Reps: 2,218,311,396,410,815 (power: 2,218,311,396,423) | | Originally Posted by b&wpac4 
That was a great link. Thank you. It is good to know that of the diligently religious, there is a desire to donate to charity overall, among all religions, with pretty close margins. But it is still a highly isolated bit of data. I suspected that. Care to drop the attitude now?
Not really, more often then not when I ask people to cite source I get some hackneyed response like "Look it up yourself" or "Google it" or something to that effect. As such, I have grown impatient with people in that regard especially when it seems that I have touched a hot button topic with "The group". Combined with someone citing something as fact and not the source at the same time (so I can look at where they got their information) it sets a bad stage for me.
If I came across as abrasive because of that, then... my apologies.
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22nd August 2010, 11:52 PM
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Reps: 622,365,155,739,938,304 (power: 622,365,155,739,950) | | Originally Posted by Key That was a great link. Thank you. It is good to know that of the diligently religious, there is a desire to donate to charity overall, among all religions, with pretty close margins. But it is still a highly isolated bit of data. I suspected that.
It's not easy to get good data. Take Jews for example. We make up less than 1% of the Earth's population, so far less attend synagogue on a regular basis. You're dealing with a small sample size to even start, much less poll. |
22nd August 2010, 11:52 PM
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Reps: 2,218,311,396,410,815 (power: 2,218,311,396,423) | | Originally Posted by b&wpac4 I was not as good before. Having a framework can help some people.
I agree with this, having direction, purpose and meaning behind why I am doing something is very important to me.
__________________ "Pit Bulls and Christians, the whole lot of them being damned for a few bad apples" I dreamt death came the other night
and Heaven's gates swung wide
An Angel with Halo Bright
Ushered me inside
And there to my astonishment
Stood folks I had judged and Labeled
as Quite unfit, of Little Worth, and Spiritually Disabled.
Indigent words rose to my lips
But never were set Free
as every face showed stun surprise
not one expected me.
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23rd August 2010, 02:17 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by hydro jen What has doing good got to do with being religious? would you not do good if you were not religious? Originally Posted by b&wpac4 I was not as good before. Having a framework can help some people. Originally Posted by xDenax For me, just about everything.
I wasn't a particularly bad person but I appreciate having the guidance and the encouragement from thousands of years of living, studying, sharing and debating. I also find a level of spirituality to be very fulfilling and the way I've come to what works best for me in through Judaism.
I find it very sad that people must first believe in some fictitious being before they can call themselves good people. |
23rd August 2010, 02:25 AM
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Reps: 579,882,325,460,913,792 (power: 579,882,325,460,945) | | Originally Posted by b&wpac4 Having a framework can help some people.
Agreed. I'd go further to suggest that everyone needs a framework of some sort, whether it comes from a religion or a philosophy or a set of personal principles. eudaimonia,
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23rd August 2010, 11:20 AM
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Reps: 622,365,155,739,938,304 (power: 622,365,155,739,950) | | Originally Posted by hydro jen I find it very sad that people must first believe in some fictitious being before they can call themselves good people.
Ignoring the "fictitious being", what is wrong with taking several thousand years of Jewish understanding about the world and using that as a framework to guide actions?
Do you find something wrong with giving to the poor, being nice to others, or helping the widow and orphan? |
23rd August 2010, 11:52 AM
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Reps: 58,705,118,444,831,208 (power: 58,705,118,444,837) | | Originally Posted by b&wpac4 This is a clear case of two groups having a conversation where the terms have not been defined. Jesus is obviously speaking on a spiritual level, not a physical level. He never promises that his followers will not die physically.
The Jews in the story are talking about the physical death that everybody experiences, and are not referring to a spiritual level.
I disagree  but then I have met Lord Shiva. He puts a different slant on things. Extremely extended life spans are actually possible, the problem is that one has to understand a few things and one has to be indwelt by God. One's body is the temple of God and one's heart is the altar of that temple.
That was a part of the message of Jesus our Lord and Savior. One day there will be Christians that understand that part of His message and they will do wondrous things. But we can not talk about that or we will be up to our tush in angry Atheists and other ignorant folk.
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23rd August 2010, 11:58 AM
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Reps: 58,705,118,444,831,208 (power: 58,705,118,444,837) | | Originally Posted by Eudaimonist Agreed. I'd go further to suggest that everyone needs a framework of some sort, whether it comes from a religion or a philosophy or a set of personal principles.
eudaimonia,
Mark 
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23rd August 2010, 11:47 PM
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Reps: 2,218,311,396,410,815 (power: 2,218,311,396,423) | | Originally Posted by b&wpac4 Ignoring the "fictitious being", what is wrong with taking several thousand years of Jewish understanding about the world and using that as a framework to guide actions?
Some people feel the need to reinvent the wheel as opposed to learning from the past.
Thankfully it is a small minority and thus our culture can continue to grow on the wisdom and learning of our past to build a better brighter future.
__________________ "Pit Bulls and Christians, the whole lot of them being damned for a few bad apples" I dreamt death came the other night
and Heaven's gates swung wide
An Angel with Halo Bright
Ushered me inside
And there to my astonishment
Stood folks I had judged and Labeled
as Quite unfit, of Little Worth, and Spiritually Disabled.
Indigent words rose to my lips
But never were set Free
as every face showed stun surprise
not one expected me.
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24th August 2010, 11:47 AM
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Reps: 98,243,288,991,033,296 (power: 98,243,288,991,043) | | Originally Posted by Key So?
In my mind, if I get one more of you non-Christians to donate to a charity, even if out of pure spite, it will be worth it.
Your non-answer is duly noted.
My point holds!
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