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Originally Posted by ZephyrWiccan View Post
No, it will not. There is a mosque 4 blocks from Ground Zero, which has been there since before Ground Zero was constructed. Yes, Prayer room. You thought wrong. Perhaps you should get better informed sources or more reliable sources. The building will be a tall community center with various open rooms, a swimming pool, exercise room, etc. The top two floors (IIRC it was the top ones)will be a prayer space dedicated to Muslims, and a prayer space for people of any faith. See above.
What was there doesn't matter. It's what they want to build.
Wouldn't that be since ground zero was destructed?

Maybe you might offer us an unbias source?
CNN

New York (CNN) -- Protesters gathered in lower Manhattan mid-day
Sunday to demonstrate against plans to build a mosque near the site of Ground Zero,

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/06/new...que/index.html
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Protesters went head to head today at the site of the proposed Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero in New York City.
Ground Zero Mosque Opponents, Supporters Turn Out to Demonstrate - ABC News

Usatoday
As illustrated by the national controversy over an Islamic community center and mosque proposed two blocks away,
At Ground Zero, proposed mosque not only controversy - USATODAY.com


So Christians, Jewish, Budists will be welcome to climb to the top of the building and pray? While I might be welcome to pray in a Budist temple or in a Jewish church, I would never consider it. I have prayed in a Catholic church on several occasions, it was attached to a place I worked.

When announced, was this called a Mosque? It should have been called an exercise facility.

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It is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative.
The Cordoba Initiative aims to improve relations between Muslims and the West.
I did find this quote interesting. Creating this building is suppose to improve the relationship?
Building a stones throw from where the towers fell, should make every happy?
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Originally Posted by ZephyrWiccan View Post
No, it will not.
They will not broadcast the call to prayer?
Or are you saying it won't be heard?

Two blocks away, anything broadcasted would be heard.

I admit, I don't know. In other Countries I have heard the call to prayer.
Do they not signal prayer time in the USA?
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Originally Posted by Billnew View Post
They will not broadcast the call to prayer?
Or are you saying it won't be heard?

Two blocks away, anything broadcasted would be heard.

I admit, I don't know. In other Countries I have heard the call to prayer.
Do they not signal prayer time in the USA?
Who cares if they do? It's far enough away from GZ for it to be pretty faint if the sound does travel there over all the traffic and other noise around there.

Even if somehow people do hear it who are visiting GZ, so what? Are they going to have to deal with the reality that Muslims pray? If they are that easily offended by a mere sound, then they're idiots.
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Originally Posted by mcswan View Post
Another relevant article, from which the following excerpts are taken.

From an Actual Moderate Muslim, a Memo to the MSM on Imam Rauf - Abdur-Rahman Muhammad:

"As I write, nearly two thousand protesters are gathered outside the location of the future mosque — some having stood in the rain for hours — providing a clear indication that the campaign to stop this project is intensifying. The pollsters tell us that nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the structure, yet its sponsors say the edifice will somehow promote “interfaith dialogue” and “mutual understanding.”

"Even more dishonest — and dangerous to this country — is the outrageously biased work in Time, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Newsweek, and on NPR, PBS, MSNBC and CNN that has consistently portrayed popular opposition to this mosque and several other mosques around the country as evidence of bigotry and so-called “Islamophobia.” This is mass libel by these media institutions."

"The mainstream media has deliberately ignored the fact that there is legitimate basis for fear of mosques — as it is a demonstrable fact that mosques and Muslims have been disproportionately connected to terrorism in this country and around the world, a fact that the media won’t report. Moreover, in the examples of opposition to specific mosques chosen by the media as evidence of popular “bigotry,” the media has selectively ignored the openly available evidence showing unambiguously that these mosques or their officials are connected to or supportive of the radical Muslim Brotherhood (the parent of al-Qaeda), Hamas, and other radical Islamic fundamentalist organizations."

"If some Americans are suspicious and fearful of Muslims, it’s not without good reason, and nothing their self-appointed leadership has done or said in the nine years following 9/11 has allayed those fears. Non-Muslim Americans have yet to see any clean line of demarcation between radical moderate Muslims. Everywhere around the globe Muslims are the cause of so much bloodshed and turmoil, making life on this planet a living hell."


Pajamas Media » From an Actual Moderate Muslim, a Memo to the MSM on Imam Rauf
Sounds like a guy just spouting his opinion to me. There's no facts in there at all. Where's this openly available evidence that he was talking about?

My article at least provided things to back it up, like the fact it isn't actually a mosque, a diagram showing it's location, etc.

His one (Regardless of whether he's Muslim or not, idiots come from all faiths.) is just him saying "People are scared because they're scared!", so what?
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Sounds like a guy just spouting his opinion to me. There's no facts in there at all. Where's this openly available evidence that he was talking about?

My article at least provided things to back it up, like the fact it isn't actually a mosque, a diagram showing it's location, etc.

His one (Regardless of whether he's Muslim or not, idiots come from all faiths.) is just him saying "People are scared because they're scared!", so what?
It's pointless to reason with people that base arguments on emotion and not reason.
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Originally Posted by mcswan View Post
"If some Americans are suspicious and fearful of Muslims, it’s not without good reason, and nothing their self-appointed leadership has done or said in the nine years following 9/11 has allayed those fears. Non-Muslim Americans have yet to see any clean line of demarcation between radical moderate Muslims. Everywhere around the globe Muslims are the cause of so much bloodshed and turmoil, making life on this planet a living hell."
The term "Uncle Tom" comes into play here. This guy is going to diss the whole Ummah simply based on the actions of a few. That is tragic indeed.
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After all you're a man of great intelligence and integrity, and he's just a ignorant tool.
I agree with your statement. It has become quite clear that this controversy has been manufactured by those who wish to keep the appearance of Muslims as the people who caused 9/11, when in fact it was a small radical faction whom did not speak for Islam. There has not been one stitch of proof presented by the opposers to the mosque which links Muslims affiliated with this mosque to 9/11. The outrage is nothing more than emotions and fear.

It is sad to see such closed mindedness and hatred based on fear.
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