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Why did lot offer his daughters to be raped to protect the angels?

In Genesis 19, the angels came to warn lot about Sodom's destruction because he was suppost to be a worthy man. But what does it say about him to offer his virgin daughters to a crowd to be raped in order to protect the angels? There was nothing about admonishment from the angels for him doing this, and it doesn't seem like the right solution, no matter what the cause for it.

On top of this, God killed Lot's wife by turning her into a pillar of salt for merely looking back, but no punishment for Lot himself for nearly forcing his daughters to be raped, especially when virginity is so important?

This doesn't seem right to me at all, and Lot doesn't seem like someone worth saving after something like that.
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It's because Lot was a messed up person.

Apart from that, it wouldn't have been considered rape. Women were conditioned to think that they had no rights, and thus, would've willingly had sex with those men.
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Interestingly enough pillar of salt and looking back are Jewish idioms. As for admonishment from angels, angels are not there to judge sin, they are messengers, and they were sent with a message. Do you want the angels to talk to Job and tell him how bad he was or strike the crowd with blindness then tell Job to leave quickly or he will be destroyed as well? I'd choose door no 2.
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Originally Posted by shinbits View Post
It's because Lot was a messed up person.

Apart from that, it wouldn't have been considered rape. Women were conditioned to think that they had no rights, and thus, would've willingly had sex with those men.
I agree. I think its best to understand Lot in terms of being a man of his times, and in those times, women had virtually no rights. He was simply reflecting the rather cold attitude to women then.
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These angels were sent by GOD, matter of fact GOD was traveling with them in visiting Abraham lots uncle before destruction of these cities. Abraham questioned GOD about righteous men in the city, and he did it to save Lot.

Why do we say that Abraham had faith when he offered Issac on the alter, yet can't understand that Lot too had faith in GOD that no harm would come to his daughters?

We are told to honor GOD above men and Jesus himself has said that anyone who loves his family members/friends etc... or anything more than HIM is not worthy of HIM. The same is true of HIS messangers even angels.

Lot's wife was told not to look back, but she rebelled and did. Her punishment was in her own hands, she died because she lacked faith and belief in GOD's WORD.

Lot's daughters were vowed to marriage already and when Lot asked them to come, they refused. Their punishment as well was in their own hands.

What has always confused me is the continued seed of Lot. It was through his daughters, who got Lot drunk to take advantage of him so that they could continue his seed. It seems to me the honest thing to do would have been to ask their father to get away from the mountain to find them spouses. Perhaps they did and Lot refused. Had his daughters not done what they did, Lot's seed would have died there. Perhaps someday if this is important for me to know it will be revealed to me.
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Originally Posted by StartedAtEly View Post
I agree. I think its best to understand Lot in terms of being a man of his times, and in those times, women had virtually no rights. He was simply reflecting the rather cold attitude to women then.
But regardless of the period, virginity has always been important, so to offer his virgin daughters to a mob when the supernatural creatures could defend themselves doesn't make him seem any better than the people who were killed.


Originally Posted by NatalieJan777 View Post
These angels were sent by GOD, matter of fact GOD was traveling with them in visiting Abraham lots uncle before destruction of these cities. Abraham questioned GOD about righteous men in the city, and he did it to save Lot.

Why do we say that Abraham had faith when he offered Issac on the alter, yet can't understand that Lot too had faith in GOD that no harm would come to his daughters?

We are told to honor GOD above men and Jesus himself has said that anyone who loves his family members/friends etc... or anything more than HIM is not worthy of HIM. The same is true of HIS messangers even angels.
the difference is that God told Abraham to do it, what Lot did wasn't directed. If he did offer them up expecting them to be protected, that would have been testing God, and of course something you're not suppost to do.

Lot's wife was told not to look back, but she rebelled and did. Her punishment was in her own hands, she died because she lacked faith and belief in GOD's WORD.

Lot's daughters were vowed to marriage already and when Lot asked them to come, they refused. Their punishment as well was in their own hands.
But again, back to the importance of virginity in the old testament, to be raped as punishment seems extreme, even for the period.

I guess its one of those things we'll never know
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True he was not told that we know of. Perhaps he knew that they were homosexual and wouldn't be interested? I don't know. But I do know that they were GOD's messengers and Lot might not have done wrong in the offer. I cannot judge this, nor do I think anyone can, not knowing what Lot was thinking and that GOD knows what that was.

I have found that the Law was written after GOD examined the actions of man for some time. This is just what I've noticed after reading old testament scripture.

It is written in the law that the Jews were not to offer their woman to prostitution.

Somewhere there in the law in reference to rape I know that GOD does put some of the responsibility on the woman. It says something to the effect that if she goes out at night in the town and is raped she is not guilty because there are people around that she can yell out to for help. However, if she goes out at night in the country it is her own fault because there are not others to yell out for help to.

I know that has nothing to do with Lot's case, however it is in reference to the same subject.

Resigning from this topic for I believe GOD will be the one to judge such matters.

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Lot was clearly afraid and acted stupidly. He had surrounded himself and his family with a city filled with every manner of sexual sin... he feared the men would break down his door to get to the angels. He believed stupidly that those men could actually overcome and rape the angels. He feared God's wrath and judgment over that more than over the sin of offering his daughters in place of the angels.
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Apart from that, it wouldn't have been considered rape. Women were conditioned to think that they had no rights, and thus, would've willingly had sex with those men.
Really? Really?

And I suppose slaves have always been happy, carefree workers...
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