Heroic Victims:

Good article, like some others here, #3 is what I find the most important issue.

From a Christian perspective, I see a disturbing unwillingness to confess sins and find forgiveness for them.
I don't know how people can believe in God as the Bible teaches Him and yet stand proud and unrepentant when faced with the facts of the horrors America has commited, often at their own urging.

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Originally Posted by TheNewWorldMan

Blah blah blah.

Sorry, but most of us here ceased to take seriously anything you have to say about Barack Obama long ago.

We all know the real reason you have a bee in your bonnet about Obama, even if you do hide behind forum rules to protect yourself from being directly called on it.

UK and Kenya children talk about Obama election

Pupils involved in Plan UK's school linking project in both Britain and Kenya were asked their opinions on the election of Barack Obama as US President.

More than 50 schools in Kisumu, Kenya, about 30 miles from where Obama was born and where his grandmother still lives in the village of Kogelo, have linked to British partners as part of the scheme.

UK and Kenya children talk about Obama election

Thank you Douger.

Your opinion should hold more weight than mine with some of these folks, and I don't take offense at that. It's most welcome.

Herbie, seriously bro! This isn't evidence you are posting. To be honest, there isn't much that can be done over the internet. I'm just going to trust the overwhelming consensus that he was born in Hawaii. I'm going to trust the birth announcements there and I'm going to trust the 51 separate, independent states that verified he is eligible to run on the ballot for Presidency in the United States. All of what you have posted can be done by one man with very little time and a burr up his butt over losing.

What I find hard to believe is that they would concoct a conspiracy when Obama was born to make it look like he was born here JUST IN CASE HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT ONE DAY. It's ridiculous to even consider.

You have lost, be a reasonable adult, and admit or, or save some pride and quietly let it go.

I agree. I would also say that reasonable adults are willing to work together to solve problems. We have very serious problems in this country that need to be solved, and that is going to take people working together. It is sad when the President has to beg one group to participate, and that the group that he has to beg takes pride in being the party of "no". I would say they should stop acting like 5 year olds, but I wouldn't want to insult most 5 year olds. They are certainly not doing their job representing their district or states when they refuse to participate, and they don't deserve the salaries that they are making because they aren't doing their job. Maybe if the Republicans had participated in the health care bill process, the bill would have been different.

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Truly the penitent is not one who laments over the evil he has committed, but one who laments over all the evil that he is capable of committing. A wise landowner not only cuts the thornbush that has pricked him, but every thornbush on the field that is waiting to prick him.
St. Nikolai Velimirovich (1880-1956) in Prayers by the Lake

Originally Posted by XTE

Herbie, seriously bro! This isn't evidence you are posting.

All I have posted is a Kenya birth certificate and just one of the latest non-political articles that make reference to the Kenya birth.
Seriously, it's a non-profit charity, why would they even print Obama was born there if it wasn't true? The evidence is mounting everyday, and Obama spends millions to keep you from the truth.

To be honest, there isn't much that can be done over the internet.

Like the only place Obama's 3 or 4 versions of the Hawaii COLB live?

I'm just going to trust the overwhelming consensus that he was born in Hawaii. I'm going to trust the birth announcements there and I'm going to trust the 51 separate, independent states that verified he is eligible to run on the ballot for Presidency in the United States. All of what you have posted can be done by one man with very little time and a burr up his butt over losing.

Obviously, you have not and will not investigate for yourself but have no problems making blanket statements of those who have.
Here is a video for you about all those independent states that did not verify eligibility.

YouTube - Candidate For US Senate Hector Maldonado Shows Obama's Eligibility UNPROVEN

What I find hard to believe is that they would concoct a conspiracy when Obama was born to make it look like he was born here JUST IN CASE HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT ONE DAY. It's ridiculous to even consider.

Why bring up your foolish notion then? If there is a real certificate from Hawaii, it is most likely based on a statement from the grandmother or someone from the family, there were a tremendous amount of benefits to being an American citizen rather than a Kenyan. There were a tremendous amout of opportunities opened up even way back in 1961.

I don't know of a single person who believes there were intentions for people to plant an announcement or even aquire a COLB from Hawaii for a future presidential run, and it is quite condesending to even suggest this.

You have lost, be a reasonable adult, and admit or, or save some pride and quietly let it go.

It isn't going anywhere till the truth is known.

The truth is already known.

....the rest are in denial

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate


arack Obama’s Official Birth Certificate

I think that the lefties and others did a fair refuting job on this thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7485742/

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If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago...Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery. - Dan Murphy

You know your party is in trouble when people ask did the rape guy win, and you have to ask which one?

Sorry I'm late to respond to your post, XTE. I always enjoy it when you post things, but this one was quite long and covers a lot of ground. You make some very valid points and much of it applies to not only those of us that are of the conservative persuasion, but most everyone. I'd admit that Fox News has become a sort of "lightning rod" lately and, as you point out, they have brought it on themselves.

Far too much in the OP to cover everything, but one thing sticks out in my mind. The use of words like "paranoia" and "hypocrisy" don't just apply to those of us on the right. These are becoming traits shared by many in our country today. The "conservative" posters here on CF that you mention seem to pick something out on a website that they agree with and just throw it up on the boards and wait for the more liberal minded posters to attack it. I call it a "drive-by" posting and find many of them to be from outlets that may be considered to be less than reliable. I've seen this done by those on the left as well.

Some on the right tend to see their rights being threatened in regard to things such as free speech and gun rights. Those on the left have expressed degrees of paranoia themselves. I remember arguments pertaining to things like school lunch programs that said that these kids could starve if they don't get the program enacted. Today, we hear those on the left crying about big oil companies like they are the most evil bunch of thugs that care not one bit about the environment. Global warming is yet another issue that has been beaten to death with paranoia from the left running amok. Al Gore has made a comfortable living spreading this paranoia. No proof, just speculation.

I'm not saying any of these folks are entirely wrong. Things like climate change have happened in the past and will eventually happen again. Oil companies have taken a pretty "black eye" lately and as in most companies, sometimes safety gets pushed a bit to the side when huge profits are involved. Big oil isn't totally innocent, either. The gulf rig explosion and leak was due to an accident. Paranoia from the administration resulted in a ban on drilling.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is plenty of the things you speak of regarding those of us on the right, present in those on the other side of the aisle. It's nothing new. The rest of us must remain discerning. We must listen to those who disagree with our own points of view. There are grains of truth in most every post, every news article and even political commentary that comes from people like Glen Beck or Rachael Maddow. It is up to us to filter out all the paranoia and speculation.