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Unread 18th July 2010, 04:24 PM
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Christians and "civil unions"

While marriage is an institution that the Bible clearly speaks of, civil unions isn't. Since we can count fewer people as believers with each passing year, and since more of these same people are wanting to live in ungodly relationships and be given some kind of legal recognition, can we as believers, support, or at least not openly oppose, a practical measure designed to address this unfortunate change in demographics. IOW, while staunchly opposing marriage between same gendered people, how about another status so long as it's never to be considered a marriage?
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Unread 18th July 2010, 05:33 PM
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It works for me. As far as I'm concerned, there should be little difference between the way we treat homosexual relationships and fornication. The only difference is that we shouldn't even consider counseling homosexuals to "marry."
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Originally Posted by jlujan69 View Post
While marriage is an institution that the Bible clearly speaks of, civil unions isn't. Since we can count fewer people as believers with each passing year, and since more of these same people are wanting to live in ungodly relationships and be given some kind of legal recognition, can we as believers, support, or at least not openly oppose, a practical measure designed to address this unfortunate change in demographics. IOW, while staunchly opposing marriage between same gendered people, how about another status so long as it's never to be considered a marriage?
People can get married no matter what their situation may be, at least as far as the government is concerned. But if God does not authorize it or sanction it then it is illegitimate which makes the union invalid. As far as I am concerned they can call it what ever they like, I will never accept it and never agree that there is something wrong with rebelling against God. All of us sin because we are imperfect. But there is a big difference between being imperfect and saying that my imperfections are not imperfections therefore I will glory in my imperfections and everyone else must agree that my imperfections are right and good. This is what the perverted community is doing and they have gone so far and to try to criminalize anyone that speaks out against them. This was going on thousands of years ago and have been foretold to happen again. It is underway and I can see the clock getting closer to midnight. Stand true no matter what may be going on. Those that persevere will be saved.

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Originally Posted by jlujan69 View Post
While marriage is an institution that the Bible clearly speaks of, civil unions isn't. Since we can count fewer people as believers with each passing year, and since more of these same people are wanting to live in ungodly relationships and be given some kind of legal recognition, can we as believers, support, or at least not openly oppose, a practical measure designed to address this unfortunate change in demographics. IOW, while staunchly opposing marriage between same gendered people, how about another status so long as it's never to be considered a marriage?
That's pretty much my view. Like fornication or pornography or adultery its a bad thing but we can't ban homosexuality unless 1) you want a law that's never enforced or 2) you put millions of people in prison. Plus I think homosexuals being "out" is better since than Christians can minister to them and show them their ways are sin while if they were "closeted" we wouldn't be able to that.
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Bluntly, I oppose it all, and I will not call evil good.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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While marriage is an institution that the Bible clearly speaks of, civil unions isn't.
I think first wee need to work out what is a marriage. The Bible defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. That is it is a union between a man and a woman. A man shall leave his mother and his father and cling to his wife and they will be come one flesh.
The government defines it as a covenant. It covenants with a man and a woman.
What does God say? How does he define this covenant? The Bible is silent. What it does say is that "what God has ordained let no one put/pull asunder", what ever that means.
There is a section out there that suggest that if same gender relationships are legalised under government that we all ought to rip up our marriage license.
Which brings me to another thought. The government grants you a license to get married.
Interesting.
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Originally Posted by 357magnum View Post
Bluntly, I oppose it all, and I will not call evil good.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
"Civil unions" wouldn't be calling it "good." "Gay marriage" would be.
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Originally Posted by Sketcher View Post
"Civil unions" wouldn't be calling it "good." "Gay marriage" would be.
I stated my opinion correctly the first time - I oppose it all - including civil unions. Legitimizing abomination in the eyes of God is calling evil good. Silence on the issue amounts to the same thing. If you disagree, we can agree to disagree.
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I stated my opinion correctly the first time - I oppose it all - including civil unions. Legitimizing abomination in the eyes of God is calling evil good. Silence on the issue amounts to the same thing. If you disagree, we can agree to disagree.
I agree that legitimizing what they do is wrong, but "civil unions" to me are not legitimizing it. "Civil union" makes no moral statement. "Marriage" does.
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"Civil unions" as defined in this day and age is two people of the same gender or differnt genders (i.e.; shacking up for a man and women) living together as though they were married.

When the world says it is "OK" and we as Christians turn a blind eye, or a deaf ear to this, we are doing exactly the opposite of what Paul said here:

"And be not conformed to this world:" -Rom. 12:2 (KJV)

Just because certain states, or laws are passed saying this is acceptable does not mean I have to accept it.

My viewpoint may not be the "politically correct" one, and it may not be the accepted one, but it is the scriptural one, and to me, that is what counts.

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