Etymology of "God" - embarrassing for Christians?

Huh!

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Yeshayahu 52:6-12 7 How pleasant upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings the besorah, who proclaims peace, who brings good news, who proclaims deliverance, who says to Tsiyon “Your אלהים reigns!”

8 The voice of your watchmen! They shall lift up their voices, together they shout for joy, because eye to eye they see the return of יהוה to Tsiyon.

Yeah, didn't think you would get it. Let me ask you a question, do you know what the difference is between a gnat and a camel?

Nope, I don't get paganism and don't care about the difference because its pagan teaching!

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Yeshayahu 52:6-12 7 How pleasant upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings the besorah, who proclaims peace, who brings good news, who proclaims deliverance, who says to Tsiyon “Your אלהים reigns!”

8 The voice of your watchmen! They shall lift up their voices, together they shout for joy, because eye to eye they see the return of יהוה to Tsiyon.

No, it is obvious you overlooked something

• I have shown that אל was used as a designation for several pagan gods, including ones in the Kingdom which haran belonged to in the times of 'abraham.
• In the Tenakh (yhowšu` 24:14) we can read that the ancestors of yiŝra'el served other gods than יהוה , and since the town of 'uwr was on the western side of the Jordan, this can only refer to the time when 'abraham and his father etc. were in haran.
• We don't know which gods 'abraham served in haran, so we cannot be sure whether the pagan god אל was among them (you were not obliged to serve every god in the local pantheon), but we can be sure that he has at least heard of him.
• So 'abraham and his descendants used the word for the pagan deity אל to refer to the deity he was called by.

Well, and this very 'abraham used a word to speak with/about יהוה which was also used to refer to pagan gods, a word he knew from the time before his calling. This is not paganism, this is written in Scripture.

I know that Jews tend to obscure this fact, so I understand that you were not aware of it, but it is a fact.

Like 'abraham was before אלהים יהוה called him out of paganism.

Well, there is a person in this discussion who mentioned more than one dozens of such "mighty ones", but this person was not me.

Your error is to think "god" is a name. It is sometimes used like a name, so we may conclude that it has become a name, but it was no name when it was first used by christian missionaries. When it became a name, this name from the beginning on referred to יהוה, so it is not a pagan name. As a name, it is written with capital letters.

So:
God = אלהים יהוה
god = אל
GOT IT?

Well, then let us look into the original language of that part of Scripture:
30 τους μεν ουν χρονους της αγνοιας υπεριδων ο θεος τα νυν απαγγελλει παραγγελλει τοις ανθρωποις παντας πανταχου μετανοειν
I highlited the words ο θεος, which you denounced as pagan, but you see, this term was used by all the apostles of המשיח. So even you make the following identification:
ο θεος = Elohim
Don't complaint that I do the same as you, when I identify ο θεος with אלהים יהוה. The difference between us is that you are a hypocrite who does not admit what he does and even condemns it.

What part of this you don't understand! Don't you do any research! You don't provide any documented proof what soever! It seems you are either afraid, ignorant or a deceiver to publish documented evidence of your connection to paganism!

• Incertae sedis (Latin for "of uncertain placement"), is a term used to define a taxonomic group where its broader relationships are unknown or undefined. Uncertainty at specific taxonomic levels is attributed by incertae familiae (of uncertain family), incerti subordinis (of uncertain suborder), incerti ordinis (of uncertain order) and similar terms.
  
  • Greek: G2316 θεός theos theh'-os Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) thesupreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very:- X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].
    
    • The only fallen sons beginning with these letters are:
      
      • Theoclymenus, an Argive seer
      • Theobule, the name of several mythological figures
      • Theonoe, the name of several mythological figures
      • Theophane, a lover of Poseidon, changed into an ewe
    • G3588 ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho,hay,to The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
  • wikipedia - Theos
    
    • Theos (θεός) is the Greek word for "deity, god"; see god (word), names of God
  • wiktionary - θεός
    
    • Alternative forms
      
      • θεύς (Doric)
      • θιός (Boeotian, Arcadocypriot)
      • σιός (Laconian)
    • Etymology
      
      • From Proto-Indo-European *dʰ(e)h₁s-. Cognate with Phyrigian δεως (deōs, “to the gods”) and probably Old Armenian դիք (dikʿ,“pagan gods”) and Latin fēriae (“festival days”), fānum (“temple”) and fēstus (“festive”).
    • Noun
      
      • θεός (genitive θεοῦ) m, second declension; (theos)
      • a deity, a god, God
      • Sometimes feminine, (ἡ θεός): a goddess
  • Melkite Greek Catholic Church Information Center - Thesaurus
    
    • Thee , Theos , Theou , Theoi , Theon
      
      • Language :
        Greek, which is Latinized and Anglicized.
        
        • "Theos" is the Latinized and Anglicized forms.
        • "Deus" is the Latin form.
        • "God" is the English form.
      • Definition
        The words "Thee , Theos , Theou , Theoi , Theon" means "God".
      • Latinized and Anglicized Forms are the same
        
        • Thee - Oh, God - Vocative - (call on or invoke - Oh, God have mercy!)
        • Theos - God - Nominative (subject of sentence - God is great!)
        • Theou - God's, in the name of the God, in the God's name, of the God - Genitive (Possessive)
        • Theoi - To the God - Dative (indirect object)
        • Theon - I see the God - Accusive (direct object)
    • Theo
      
      • Language
        Greek, which is Latinized and Anglicized. Greek, which is Latinized and Anglicized.
        
        • "Theos" is the Latinized and Anglicized forms.
        • "Deus" is the Latin form.
        • "God" is the English form.
      • Definition
        The prefix "Theo" means "God".
      • Usage
        
        • Used in the word "Theology", the prefix "Theo" means God and the suffix "logy" means "study of". "Theology" is the study of God.
    • Theos
      
      • Language
        Greek, which is Latinized and Anglicized.
      • Definition
        
        • The word "Theos" means "god".
        • To specify "The One God" of the Christians and Jews (Tsephanyah 3:9), the definite article "ho" was added, "ho theos". The word "ho" means "the" as The Only or The One. The words "ho theos" mean "the God".
        • The word "theos" was used by the pagan Greeks for their gods. Because they had many gods, the definite article "ho" was never added.
  • wikipedia - Theology
    
    • Theology translates into English from the Greek theologia (θεολογία) which derived from theos (θεός), meaning God, and logia (λόγια), meaning utterances, sayings, or oracles (a word related to logos [λόγος], meaning word, discourse, or reasoning) which had passed into Latin as theologia and into French as théologie.
      
      The English equivalent "theology" (Theologie, Teologye) had evolved by 1362. The sense the word has in English depends in large part on the sense the Latin and Greek equivalents had acquired in Patristic and medieval Christian usage, though the English term has now spread beyond Christian contexts.
      
      I wonder if you went to the School of Theological Cemetery (Ooops! I mean Seminary)
  • studylight - G2316 θεός theos
    
    • Original Word: qeo/v
    • Origin: of uncertain affinity
    • Transliterated Word: Theos
    • Definition:
      
      • a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
      • the Godhead, trinity (Christianity pagan teachings: came from the Egyptian beliefs)
        
        • God the Father, the first person in the trinity
        • Christ, the second person of the trinity
        • Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity

Look at this trash! I can keep just posting document after document of this pagan word you Christians love and worship of the Greek fallen sons of אלהים יהוה. Originated pagan and it stays there! Has no connection to the Hebrew culture!


Sigh! Can't you read and understand יהוה אלהיכם!
Yeshayahu 5:20-2120Woe to those who call evil good and good evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight!


SO STOP TRYING TO MAKE YOUR FALLEN SON "θεός" GOOD!

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Yeshayahu 52:6-12 7 How pleasant upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings the besorah, who proclaims peace, who brings good news, who proclaims deliverance, who says to Tsiyon “Your אלהים reigns!”

8 The voice of your watchmen! They shall lift up their voices, together they shout for joy, because eye to eye they see the return of יהוה to Tsiyon.

Now, lets see if Abraham served other אלהים before he knew the living אלהים and if he did what did he do when the living אלהים called out to him. Let's see if your comprehension skills can resurface from your school of education which so far you have not shown your capable of.


Yahusha 24:1-2And Yahusha gathered all the tribes of Yisra’ĕl to Sheḵem and called for the elders of Yisra’ĕl and for their heads and for their judges and for their officers. And they presented themselves before אלהי. And Yahusha said to all the people, “Thus said יהוה אלהי of Yisra’ĕl, (WHO said this?)


‘Long ago your fathers dwelt beyond the River – Teraḥ, the father of Aḇrahim and the father of Naḥor. And they served other אלהים.


Uhmm, I wonder if Yahusha (this is what יהוה אלהי told him) is saying Terah and his forefathers served the other אלהים! Our Abraham and Nahor served the other אלהים with Terah?


Which one? Do your studying before you answer which you seem to not be able to do, because I will embarrass you again!


AND THIS TIME PUBLISH SCRIPTURAL AND DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE INSTEAD OF OPEN YOUR WISE AND CRAFTED WISDOM OF HASHATAN!

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Yeshayahu 52:6-12 7 How pleasant upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings the besorah, who proclaims peace, who brings good news, who proclaims deliverance, who says to Tsiyon “Your אלהים reigns!”

8 The voice of your watchmen! They shall lift up their voices, together they shout for joy, because eye to eye they see the return of יהוה to Tsiyon.

OK, let's go throu what you posted.

The first thing I don't understand is why you cite this:

• Originally Posted by messengermiller

  Incertae sedis (Latin for "of uncertain placement"), is a term used to define a taxonomic group where its broader relationships are unknown or undefined. Uncertainty at specific taxonomic levels is attributed by incertae familiae (of uncertain family), incerti subordinis (of uncertain suborder), incerti ordinis (of uncertain order) and similar terms.

What does this have to do with the topic we're discussing?

• Originally Posted by messengermiller

  Greek: G2316 θεός theos theh'-os Of uncertain affinity; a deity, ...

Well, these facts are disputed by no-one, the crucial point is how to interpret these facts.

You say: the word is of pagan origin.

Well, as I have shown, אל is of pagan origin, too. Both have the same meaning: a deity (your horror of the word "god" forces me to use a word I don't want to use because it has to much pagan connotations, but you in your blindness accept this problematic word and protest at the use of the word "god").

So: why do you make a difference between אל and θεος?

• • • Originally Posted by messengermiller

      Etymology

      • From Proto-Indo-European *dʰ(e)h₁s-. Cognate with Phyrigian δεως (deōs, “to the gods”) and probably Old Armenian դիք (dikʿ,“pagan gods”) and Latin fēriae (“festival days”), fānum (“temple”) and fēstus (“festive”).

What do you want to prove with that? The only information (apert from the trivial fact that the word θεος dates back well before the time of 'abraham) I get out of it is: the Latin word for temples and festival was derived from same the root as deus or θεος. So what?

• • • • Originally Posted by messengermiller

        G3588 ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho,hay,to The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

What on earth does a etymology of the definite article has to do with what we are discussing about? That stuff is off-topic entirely. What a definite article is, should be obvious to all speakers of English, or Greek, or Hebrew, or many other languages (may be not clear to speakers of a language where there is no definite article, like Latin).

• Originally Posted by messengermiller

  Greek, which is Latinized and Anglicized.

• Definition
  • The word "Theos" means "god".
  • To specify "The One God" of the Christians and Jews (Tsephanyah 3:9), the definite article "ho" was added, "ho theos". The word "ho" means "the" as The Only or The One. The words "ho theos" mean "the God".
  • The word "theos" was used by the pagan Greeks for their gods. Because they had many gods, the definite article "ho" was never added.

Well, most of the points I said can be proven to what already was said in this thread.

You posted the names of many old Germanic deities (post #9), and this without any reason, since in post #1 it was said (this was the starting point!) that all theses deities were not called "god" by the ancient Germanic folks. You gave no evidence whatever that this information (to be found in an online etymology) was wrong. Since I assume that you read the post #1, I conclude that despite the fact you know that "god" was not used for these deities, you listed their names, thus acting againt the command
Šmowt 23:13 “And in all that I have said to you take heed. And make no mention of the name of other אלהים (mighty ones), let it not be heard from your mouth.
a command you yourself cited in the very same post. AFAIR no other person here mentioned a name any idol., you were the only one to do so. What more evidence do I need to give to prove that you are an hypocrite?

In post #4, it was said that words can change their meaning, a fact obvious to everyone who has used etymological dictionaries regularly. Again, you didn't disclaim that fact and so tacitly admitted that the question whether "god" is a pagan term cannot be judged by looking into the origin of that word, but by examining its present meaning.

In post #7 (and repeatedly in later postings) I told you that according to the ordinary meaning of the word religion even the belief in of אלהים יהוה is religion. You never gave an alternative definition of the word religion, so I have to conclude that you know that this is indeed so, but you only refuse to admit that truth.

In post # 21 (a posting from you) we can read (beside other things) that for those people who (using your terminology) worship only one אלהים, namely the creator and ruler of the universe, the appropriate English term for this אלהים is God.

In post # 26, I quoted from Strong's dictionary to show that the word θεος was used 1343 times in the messianic wrings, in the overhelming instances as a denmotation of אלהים יהוה. and in post #30 you quoted Acts 17:30-321, and you (or the translator of the version you used) translated the word θεος as Elohim.

We can be sure that Ša'uwl (or Paul, as the messianic writing Acts calls him in that passage) spoke Greek to the people of the town where the purest Greek was spoken, we know from the outfit of the prefaces in Luke and Acts that these books were written as a contribution to the Hellenistic literature and therefore it is virtually certain that they were written in Greek, so there is no reason whatsoever to assume these verses were not originally in Greek (by whatever meaning of "originally" you prefer). So you yourself have given a perfect example to prove that the messianic writings use θεος as an translation for 'elowhiym (or "Elohim", as you chose to simplify the transcription).

Since the messianic writings use θεος for אלהים יהוה, who are you that you dare to contradict the messianic writings with your strange theory that θεος is inherently pagan?

As to the questions who were the ancestors yhošuw` meant when he spoke of fathers who served foreign gods:

• look into a map of ancient Mesopotamia (like this one) and see where the town of ur (hebrew 'uwr) was located.
• tell me where those ancestors who were pagan lived

These were the major points, as I have shown, almost anything is already in this thread. if you disagree to any evidence posted here by me and others (including the evidence against your view that can be found in your own postings), tell the details and try to refute this evidence. If there is more evidence you miss, specify which: where did I claim what you cannot accept?

EDIT: Oh, I mentioned a few names of idols, but only because you wanted evidence and I didn't know how to give that evidence without specifying which gods were called אל and some relation to other idols.

Now lets find out where the word אל comes from and see if its origin is pagan like your θεος.


Yeshayahu 51:1-8“Listen to Me, you who pursue righteousness, seeking יהוה: Look to the rock you were hewn from and to the hole of the pit you were dug from.

• Greek Septuagint: יהוה
  ακουσατε μου οι διωκοντες το δικαιον και ζητουντες τον κυριον εμβλεψατε εις την στερεαν πετραν ην ελατομησατε και εις τον βοθυνον του λακκου ον ωρυξατε
  • G2962 κύριος kurios koo'-ree-os From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller;
    • Old English: by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.

Uhmm! I don't see the Name of יהוה translated into any pagan names of the Greeks! I wonder what this says about His character! Since the Torah was written in Hebrew, lets see what HaShaton has to say about his Creator יהוה.

• Berĕshith 3:1-3 And the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which הוה אלהים had made, and he said to the woman, “Is it true that אלהים has said, ‘Do not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
  
  והנחש היה ערום מכל חית השדה אשר עשה יהוה אלהים ויאמר אל האשה אף כי אמר אלהים לא תאכלו מכל עץ הג
  
  Literal: ...so said Elohim...
  
  Look what HaShaton said! And this was before the Greeks and any other nations existed! So I wonder where the word אל came from? Uhmm! So if HaShaton knows who אלהים is, I wonder if it was ever said of him in the scriptures that he wants to be like WHO?
  • Yeshayahu 14:1-32 13 “For you have said in your heart, ‘Let me go up to the heavens, let me raise my throne above the stars of אל, (WHO? How did this get here!) and let me sit in the mount of meeting on the sides of the north;
    
    ואתה אמרת בלבבך השמים אעלה ממעל לכוכבי אל ארים כסאי ואשב בהר מועד בירכתי צפו
    
    14 let me go up above the heights of the clouds, let me be like the Most High.’
    
    Look at that! I wonder who's smarter and knows אלהים יהוה better! HaShaton are you? So it looks like the word אל originated exactly where it should! From אלהים יהוה Himself! Even HaShaton knows this! So who are you compared to HaShaton! Have you ever seen אלהים יהוה? NOT! I know who I am compared to him! Definitely not deceived like you are!
    
    Just like יהושע HaMashiach said,
    Mattithyahu 15:13-1413But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted shall be uprooted. (Uhmm, I wonder if that will be you!) 14“Leave them alone! They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.” (I wonder if He is referring to the Lake of Fire?)

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Yeshayahu 52:6-12 7 How pleasant upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings the besorah, who proclaims peace, who brings good news, who proclaims deliverance, who says to Tsiyon “Your אלהים reigns!”

8 The voice of your watchmen! They shall lift up their voices, together they shout for joy, because eye to eye they see the return of יהוה to Tsiyon.

Now lets see if אל means the same as θεος.

• The Hebrew word אל :
  • א : Alef, pictograph of a Ox head, meaning: strong, power
    • Pictographic (form): All sources agree that the original form for this letter is (a), an ox head.
    • Mnemonic (meaning): Muscle -- the ox is the strongest of the livestock animals; Yoke -- the ox is placed in a yoke for pulling a load or plowing; Chief -- an older experienced ox, as the leader, was often yoked to a younger ox to teach him; Oak tree -- the strongest of the woods; Ram -- the strong leader of the flock; Stag – the strong leader of the forest; Fat tail -- the strong part of the sheep; Pillar, arch -- the strong members which support a building.
  • ל : Lamed, pictograph of a Shepherd's Staff, meaning: teach, yoke, toward, bind, authority
    • Pictographic (form): The Ancient picture is a shepherd's staff.
    • Mnemonic (meaning): To, Toward -- the staff was used to push, or pull one of the flock in a direction; Authority – the staff as a sign of the shepherd's authority; Yoke – a staff on the shoulders of the oxen for directing; Bind, Tie - - from the fastening of the yoke.
• The Greek word θεος :
  • θ = ?
  • ε = ?
  • ο = ?
  • ς = ?
    • I can hear one bird tweeten in the background of silence. I wonder if you can find the origin of these letters pointing to something in Greek that is meaningful! NOT!

Therefor, can אל be translated or transliterated into θεος! DON'T THINK SO! The Greeks just like all English people have no concrete thinking what soever! ABSTRACT mentality! That's how you Christians teach and live. Blind Faith! What in the heck is blind faith!

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Yeshayahu 52:6-12 7 How pleasant upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings the besorah, who proclaims peace, who brings good news, who proclaims deliverance, who says to Tsiyon “Your אלהים reigns!”

8 The voice of your watchmen! They shall lift up their voices, together they shout for joy, because eye to eye they see the return of יהוה to Tsiyon.