According to your worldview you may well thinks so, but I can be sure that Avneil believes in God and God’s word and thus purposes for people’s lives, man and woman were created to be in faithful union, your term heterosexual is opposite sex attraction, which could mean adulterous thoughts and actions, that’s not what God created people for.
The terms ‘heterosexual’ and ‘homosexual’ don’t reflect God’s purposes, they are human concepts which cut across God’s purposes.
You guys just don't want to admit that it could be biological, because then your whole anti-gay agenda goes out of the window, and you can't hate gays anymore for something they have no control over.
If it is biological it is stil wrong. What do you think disease and disability is the result of? By the way, google ‘gay gene’ and ‘straight gene’, no-one seems to be searching desperately for a straight gene or even a gene that causes any sort of sexuality. Nor is anyone searching for genes that cause people to murder, steal. lie etc. Presumably if they found a murder gene they would treat it to change it, and if they found a gay gene they would say it justifies same sex relationships.
Do you seriously believe this non-sense? Orientation is a biological reference.
Sorry but that’s the word of God you are calling non-sense. Nor is there any consensus of agreement in science that proves orientation is biological.
I never said Jesus said anything about LGBTs. I merely said God created them, as sexual orientation is an inborn trait, and God created all humans, and knew them in the womb.
We know for sure God didn’t create LGBT’s as His word says He created man and woman to be united. LGBTS is a faulty human concept to try and make out an identity in a disordered and dysfunctional sin. But Jesus is the Son of God and whilst on earth spoke the words of the Father, and He affirmed God’s word (Gen 2) that God created male and female, woman for man, so that man and woman could be united. Your statement suggests you don’t see Jesus as God or speaking the words of God. With reference to fundamentalist Christian, this issue is a core Christian belief, which suggest to me what you see as fundamentalist Christianity is actually Christianity itself. [quote] I don't know why you guys keep using this as an argument against gays. [/quote[ because we are believers in God and His word. And incidentally where did you get the LGBT and gays and lesbians concept from as it certainly isnt from God.
It's just a belief, however, no matter how firmly it might be entrenched. Not that you're doing so (yet) but please don't ever state that YOUR belief over-rides someone elses belief.
How does that work then? If someone’s belief is that God’s word is the truth and anything contrary to it is overriding as a lie, your statement would be denying another their belief unless it fell in line with your belief.
"I" don't believe that the Bible condemns homosexuality within the confines of a monogamous relationship any more than it condemns heterosexuality within the confines of a monogamous relationship. For "me" it's just as plain and simple.
we understand your view but we are challenging it as being baseless and contrary to the Christian view by the scriptures and explanation provided. To us your view is disbelief, it has no scriptural support and is contrary to what the scripture says.
Being a Chritian is a God-given Identity, and, according to the majority of people who have such sexual relations with one another, homosexuality is ALSO and identity..
Therefore are they in conflict, one with another.. It's an identity crisis.
Meanwhile, there is only One Image of God, and that's Christ Jesus
Lol, you obviously haven't read Genesis. The entire Adam and Eve story is an example of God setting humanity up for failure.
Really? I though God put them in a perfect place, they had all they needed and there was absolutely no reason to choose to disobey God. Actually, God set them to success for they had all they needed to fulfil their purpose, but He choose to also give them free will and b able to not choose God. But there was absolutely no reason for them to choose to disobey Him... or was it? Can you name an excuse for what they did?
Originally Posted by Jase
I, however, don't believe that story is historical. So, since science and psychologists are not wrong on this issue, we are left with the possibility that God either set humans up to fail, or God doesn't have the same problem with these issues that you have. I'm going with the latter.
If God allowed someone to have 'attractions' to other people of the same sex and He does not will to 'convert' you, have you ever thought He called you to a life of celibacy as a "homosexual" witness for Him?
God allowed Nick Vujicic to be born without arms or legs, and now He is an inspiration for lots of people. No no no no no ... God cannot do this as well for homosexuals. I mean ... why would God want homosexuals to be a witness for Him how He helped them abandon the homosexual behavior? [/sarcasm] Just supposing you are born homosexual, this doesn't mean it is okay for you to practice.
So there is a third option: God wants these people to be a witness for Him in the world. Have you ever thought about it?
Originally Posted by Jase
Being gay is not a sin, therefore in that regard there is nothing to repent of. Now please stop with the preaching.
Really? I though God put them in a perfect place, they had all they needed and there was absolutely no reason to choose to disobey God. Actually, God set them to success for they had all they needed to fulfil their purpose, but He choose to also give them free will and b able to not choose God. But there was absolutely no reason for them to choose to disobey Him... or was it? Can you name an excuse for what they did?
*snip*
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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KCKID, How does that work then? If someone’s belief is that God’s word is the truth and anything contrary to it is overriding as a lie, your statement would be denying another their belief unless it fell in line with your belief. we understand your view but we are challenging it as being baseless and contrary to the Christian view by the scriptures and explanation provided. To us your view is disbelief, it has no scriptural support and is contrary to what the scripture says.
Exactly, and I will say it again if he can 1 scripture that says differently just one then I will apologies and say I am wrong. I said that from the start of the argument.
KCKID we are not anti-gay we are just pro-word of God. If you can find in the word of God where it says that its ok to be homosexual, I am sure many ppl including me will not argue with you because its biblical. Everything you are saying is either discrediting the bible, insulting to Christians, and or cynical.
Exactly, and I will say it again if he can 1 scripture that says differently just one then I will apologies and say I am wrong. I said that from the start of the argument.
KCKID we are not anti-gay we are just pro-word of God. If you can find in the word of God where it says that its ok to be homosexual, I am sure many ppl including me will not argue with you because its biblical. Everything you are saying is either discrediting the bible, insulting to Christians, and or cynical.
You can use a different term to make it seem less sinister, but it doesn't change the fact that you are still anti-gay, just like being pro-life is still anti-abortion.
You can use a different term to make it seem less sinister, but it doesn't change the fact that you are still anti-gay, just like being pro-life is still anti-abortion.
Anti means against I am not against anyone I am just for God's word. I could careless who is gay and who is not, I will what the word of God says and if they do or dont accept it thats on them. I am not discriminator against homosexuals I just know what the word of God says.
Anti means against I am not against anyone I am just for God's word. I could careless who is gay and who is not, I will what the word of God says and if they do or dont accept it thats on them. I am not discriminator against homosexuals I just know what the word of God says.
I'm not anti-murder. I'm just pro-letting people live.
No, being gay means being attracted to people of the same gender as oneself. It doesn't mean acting anything. Different gay people act in different ways. There's no "one size fits all" way of "acting gay".
David.
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