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Originally Posted by CreedIsChrist View Post

I have also read that ALL muslims, except the ones who have died in jihad, will have to face hell for a certain while
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just from my memory as i have no time to look anything up...

hadith (you look up)... 70,000 of my nation (everyone prophet Muhammad was sent to- all people till Day of Resurrection) will enter paradise without being held to account or any punishment... with each of them another 70,000... and three hathiyyaat of my Lord... hathiyyah is 'handful' or when you scoop something up with your hand...

notes: 70,000 doesn't necessarily mean that exact number... just means A LOT... multiples of seven are used in the Arabic language to denote quantity. (Like, we would say, if I've told you once I've told you a hundred times, but we don't really mean 100). three hand scoops of God also indicates LOTS of people

question is.. who are these people... that's the important part, so we can be amongst them.. hadith goes on to say that these will be the people that avoid superstition and have FULL trust in and reliance on God, rather than any means.

One of my favorite ahadith.. a hadith qudsi.. where prophet muhammad uses his own words to relay something God said:

'I will meet the good expectations of my servant'... if you truly expect good from God, He will never let you down. I used to hang that hadith up in my classroom when I was a school teacher... It keeps a person SO POSITIVE... I always try my best to never let things ruin my mood.. to always expect that the best will happen. Alhamdulillaah, everything always works out well.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't take precautions... there's also the hadith about the bedouin that didn't tie his camel.. and when the prophet asked him why not, he said.. oh, I trust that God will keep it safe for me... the Prophet said, 'Tie your camel, and put your trust in God.' This applies for matters of this world, and the next. We have to do our part... do our best... and then put our full trust in God.

I'm sure you've heard this before Creed... the analogy Ibn Al-Qayyim gave to the heart of a believer... he said the heart is like a bird... the head (driving force) is LOVE and the two wings are HOPE and FEAR.

And God knows best.

P.S. Someone asked about Jesus's return.. I don't want to talk about something that I haven't studied in detail without research.. and no time for research right now.. I will leave that for someone else to talk about, in shaa' Allaah.
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Originally Posted by JJWhite View Post
P.S. Someone asked about Jesus's return.. I don't want to talk about something that I haven't studied in detail without research.. and no time for research right now.. I will leave that for someone else to talk about, in shaa' Allaah.
Here's what your book of faith states regarding Jesus' return...


Jesus Knows the Hour


Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…


ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلابل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم


Walamma duriba ibnu maryama mathalan itha qawmuka minhu yasiddoona waqaloo aalihatuna khayrun am huwa ma daraboohu laka illa jadalan bal hum qawmun khasimoona in huwa illa AAabdun anAAamna AAalayhi wajaAAalnahu mathalan libanee isra-eela walaw nashao lajaAAalna minkum mala-ikatan fee al-ardi yakhlufoona wa-innahu laAAilmun lilssaAAati fala tamtarunna biha waittabiAAooni hatha siratun mustaqeemun

And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation (of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth, they succeed. And truly He (has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)


Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.

Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa”) both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.

Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.


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قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون


Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona

Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. And exalted whom certainly His, King (of) the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection, and to Him you are taken back. And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, except He; He bore witness on account of The Truth and them, they know. (43.81- 86)



Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).

Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:
  • Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
  • Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
  • Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
  • Jesus is Lord of the Throne
  • Jesus is God upon the Cloud
  • Jesus is God upon the Earth
  • Jesus is The Intercession
  • Jesus is The Witness
  • Jesus is The Truth
  • None are superior to Him
  • Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection
Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus View Post
Is there differences within Islam on "Hell"?

Christianity itself is pretty diverse on the subject of the "hell/gehenna" mentioned in the NT as you can see on this thread.....

http://www.christianforums.com/t7463551/
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quote OP:

I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell. I believe that "hell" is the darkness outside of heaven where the evil souls are because they can't get into heaven, and because they are evil they torment eachother. But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.

What do you think?

Not many differences. The Qruan explicitly states that there will be corporeal fire which will burn away at the skin and organs. However it gets more descriptive than the bible. Such as damaged skin and sinews being replaced with news ones after they are burnt. The drinking of boiling water which will consume their insides. Being incased in a "pillar" and blanket of fire. And the eating from an accursed tree.

I also remember reading about a bridge believers and non-believers will have to walk through, which the non-believers will slip and fall to hell while the believers will be able to stay on the bridge.
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