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What is SOUND DOCTRINE?

I am not a biblical scholar, but I know enough of the WORD of GOD to know when something is not sound, that which does not bring spiritual growth as GOD has intended.

Some of the references to these words 'Sound Doctrine' are a bit ambiguous and I am finding that a lot of scripture itself is such due to the number of ways one can interpret it.

For instance, if numbers and colors etc... are to be used to decipher biblical meaning, why then did GOD give us the Holy Spirit? Couldn't man then rely on their own ingenuity in deciphering scripture? I question this because I find that what some are calling 'x' cannot be called 'x' in every situation.

What exactly do you, the reader of this post think that Sound Doctrine means?

Below are the references I found to these words 'sound doctrine'.

Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Titus 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me..

1 Timothy 6:3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

Proverbs 4:1-2 Listen, my sons, to a father's instruction; pay attention and gain understanding. I give you sound learning, so do not forsake my teaching.

Isaiah 55:10-11 As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

I appreciate all input, hopefully discussion that will enlighten all and glorify GOD in the process.
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Hi NJ ,

Let my heart be sound in thy statutes; that I be not ashamed. <-----> Psalm 119:80

sound -

H8549
תּמים
tâmîym
taw-meem'
From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth: - without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright (-ly), whole.

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...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. <-----> Matthew + Luke 4:4

For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. <-----> Acts 20:27
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He lays up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. <-----> Proverbs 2:7

sound wisdom -

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תּשׁיּה תּוּשׁיּה
tûshîyâh tûshîyâh
too-shee-yaw', too-shee-yaw'
From an unused root probably meaning to substantiate; support or (by implication) ability, that is, (direct) help, (in purpose) an undertaking, (intellectual) understanding: - enterprise, that which (thing as it) is, substance, (sound) wisdom, working.

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These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. <-----> Acts 17:11

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; <-----> 2nd Timothy 3:14

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Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. <-----> 2nd Timothy 1:13

sound -

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ὑγιαίνω
hugiainō
hoog-ee-ah'ee-no
From G5199; to have sound health, that is, be well (in body); figuratively to be incorrupt (true in doctrine): - be in health, (be safe and) sound, (be) whole (-some).

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Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. <-----> John 7:16

And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power. <-----> Luke 4:32

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...Speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: <-----> Titus 2:1

doctrine -

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διδασκαλία
didaskalia
did-as-kal-ee'-ah
From G1320; instruction (the function or the information): - doctrine, learning,
teaching.

G1320 -
διδάσκαλος
didaskalos
did-as'-kal-os
From G1321; an instructor (generally or specifically): - doctor, master, teacher.

G1321 -
διδάσκω
didaskō
did-as'-ko
A prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb δάω daō (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application): - teach.

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Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. <-----> John 16:13

...The anointing which ye have received of him abides in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. <-----> 1st John 2:27

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In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
For the grace of God that brings salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
<-----> Titus 2:7-14

May The Will of The Lord Be Done - To The Glory of God ! Amen .

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Sound doctine are things that can be proven out of the bible by the bible. Sound doctrine is the word of God proven out by the word of God. So doctrine is what "thus saith the Lord" and not the traditions of man. That's why God had it written, (1Thes.5:21) Prove all things; (2Tim:4:5) "make full proof of thy ministry."

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Originally Posted by wayfaring man View Post
May The Will of The Lord Be Done - To The Glory of God ! Amen .

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AMEN! And thank you, I also did a study on all those words through e-sword and drew the same conclusions.

After reading your imput the following scripture came to mind:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 2:19-21 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.

Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
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Originally Posted by judah israel View Post
Sound doctine are things that can be proven out of the bible by the bible. Sound doctrine is the word of God proven out by the word of God. So doctrine is what "thus saith the Lord" and not the traditions of man. That's why God had it written, (1Thes.5:21) Prove all things; (2Tim:4:5) "make full proof of thy ministry."

Peace
I would tend to disagree with this. Not just for the sake of disagreement but I know that if ones can twist one part of scripture that they are able to twist another to fit what they want to believe.

For me personally, I know that the doctrin is sound if the Holy Spirit confirms its truth to me.
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Originally Posted by NatalieJan777 View Post
I would tend to disagree with this. Not just for the sake of disagreement but I know that if ones can twist one part of scripture that they are able to twist another to fit what they want to believe.

For me personally, I know that the doctrin is sound if the Holy Spirit confirms its truth to me.
And the Holy spirit does that by way of the scriptures.

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Originally Posted by judah israel View Post
And the Holy spirit does that by way of the scriptures.

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Not always, many times it has been confirmed to me through circumstance as well as through others.

PS - That doesn't mean it is not somewhere else in scripture, it just means the confirmation has come in a different way. I do not need to be reading scripture for the Holy Spirit to confirm a truth is all I am saying.

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Back when there was one church Sound doctrine . was what "sounded" good to those who the apostles appointed to leadership

now that the church is divided into many fragments it's very subjective . and quite often is "what sounds good to me"

the idea of sound doctrine is based on the premise of God's love .

and when everyone in the faith comes from that same premise .

then the idea of sound doctrine can be examined in a fashion that does not resemble itching ear syndrome . or so i have so heard it called .

hope you find what you're looking for deep in your heart in asking this question .

Love bless .
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Thank you Michael for the hope =)

You said that back in the early church it was "what sounded good", how do you know this?
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Thank you Michael for the hope =)

You said that back in the early church it was "what sounded good", how do you know this?
(Anytime NatalieJan )

This is trusting that the discipleship process at least for the apostle generation was done according the great commission . the pastoral epistles seemed to indicate that only trustworthy people were chosen for the task of shepherding God's flock . and the resonance of this still exists from the schisms of the early church denoms . It is based on key doctrinal points .. and anything that was established as not true in the past cannot be true now .. etc etc . So it's one part the beginning, one part scriptural evidence and one part examining the remnant of the first churches and their behaviors toward what they call sound doctrine and what isn't .

that's how i reason it out . i guess i could do an indepth study . but not feeling lead to at the moment .
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