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Visions & Dreams of Second Coming & Two Witnesses

I have been having a lot of visions and dreams of what seems to be either the second coming of Christ or the two witnesses. Maybe both.

Some of these come from long ago, some from recently, I have tied these together because of the urgency of the recent ones. Some from dreams, some from images shown in my mind, and then later leading through Scripture.

I should add here, as I do at the end, that the reason for writing this I am not sure of. What I do know is this change is coming it will be across the planet, and it will be inward. It is unstoppable. It will be simultaneous in the heart of the Church, invisible and indivisible.



In one there was a supernova of light -- light so pure and clean it was seen as like sunlight but not sunlight and one sensed it was beyond time and space entirely. It came because of a great force of evil pushed against it, and evil men could not see.

In another I saw all of creation, created "good", but warped. And I saw many aspects of creation and how it was warped so that "creation itself" wanted to come back to its' restored state. I saw many angles of this, and I can relate some:

One, was how justice is not done and the people cry out for it. I saw criminal after criminal, the corrupt after corrupt escaping and then brought to justice.

Two, was how the real happenings of the world are hidden in current affairs by lying politicians, diplomats, and executives. They are either themselves deceived, or they are directly deceiving giving a face to the news with a mind to what they think they want the public to think. And I saw journalists as naive in this.

Three, creation was shown to me in many angels with it being created good and pure wanting - as if it had a will of its' own - to be restored to what it was like stones screaming out. Everything in it screaming out for truth and justice, for restoration, for the warping to stop.

Four, I saw people given over to a depraved mind and many depraved minds and how they have warped everything driving creation like a bow or a iron rim down, down, down until it is stretched nearly to a breaking point.

Five, I saw how the dark powers of the world constantly drive creation away from what it should be: death, decay, torture, murder, wars, plagues, destruction of children, strife. Yet I was shown how God created Heaven and earth and called it good, and how it was not good now, but driven into so much evil that this was a grave abomination which can not stand forever -- just as injustice can not be stood forever.


Six, I saw the warping as something which could not destroy creation but itself increased the pull of it back to what it should be and much more then what it ever was -- the "revealing of the children of righteousness in power and glory".

That is, the very mangling of creation, the very pulling gave to it a force profound which it did not have before -- just as a bow sitting by itself has no force but must have its' string pulled back.


I saw the injustices of creation: the countless martyrs, the injustices, the cover ups, the lying, the deceit, the selfishness, the warped darkness striving against all things and how their crimes went and go unpunished, unspoken, without condemnation, without voice. How the blood cries out from the ground and the victims become the accused while the accusers live high. I saw these abominations and this torment on all of creation like a bow string being pulled back.


I saw knowledge being hidden from the angels, from the Son, from all the heavenly powers and above all from man: it was like a darkness, like dark clouds, impenetrable secrets. But I saw how these secrets did not hold back the warping nor change it, it merely hid the great tension that was building and about to break.

I saw countless victims, countless people righteous, who revere God's Name great and small silenced by the darkness, held back by it over the ages, across the planet while the strong, the wise of this world, the savage strode the earth fighting to maintain their own level.


I saw many lights, people in a great plain and the earth covered with this darkness like a sea. So had creation sunk that it had become as though covered with thick darkness. And the lights were people but presented like people in vessels. The darkness was like a liquid seeking any crack, any hole, any weakness just by its' nature pushing against them.

All of these vessels were connected.


I read a verse: there are three who testify, 1 John 5:6-8 -- the water, the blood, and the Spirit. The water, the Heavenly baptism of John for repentance which God empowered as Jesus implied when He asked if John's office "was of men or Heaven", and which Jesus spoke of before returning to Heaven on the fortieth day after the resurrection: "John baptized with water, but you will soon be baptized with the Spirit" (Him speaking of the fiftieth day, the day of Pentecost when also Moses returned from the mountain).

I was also shown on the two witnesses how their rising to Heaven in a cloud was exactly as Jesus went up to Heaven, and as many have seen it in one form: as the way Jesus is seen to return. I was shown how after this the last trumpet is blown and "the time for judging the dead and rewarding the prophets, saints, and those who revere God's Name great and small" has come. (Revelation 11, end of chapter). I have not and was not shown how then it is the Beast and the "third woe" comes next.


Nor was I shown the identity of the two witnesses. Nor how the water, the blood, and the Spirit tie together -- except that the Spirit confesses the Name of the Lord and how there is a separation between those who believe in the Son for eternal life and those who do not.

I was shown the supernova in context with Moses and Elijah, who had information to give Jesus from the future: firsthand information. (That is, speaking of their showing at the Mount of Transfiguration.)

Most importantly, I was shown how the transfiguration and the "rising of the morning star in your heart", and the "the dead in Christ must rise first" all fit together. It was presented to me as if the resurrection was on schedule but the wicked forces of darkness had even tried to destroy that, to malign that -- and that was their final undoing.

I saw as what appeared that great supernova of light in compressed, almost liquid form rising in people's hearts changing them. The way I was shown this people were literally transfigured -- but whether this is literal, outward manifestation or not, I do not know... because I was also shown a great paradise where people were all happy and together in a world under a great tree that looked like paradise. With all sadness and sorrow behind them.


I was further shown that this end was prophesied beginning in the sixties and the message has gone out loud and clear, it permeates society so prevalent is it: and how this is unlike in other generations, even during the forties when Mao, Stalin, and Hitler were raging.

I was shown how the sleepers were floating in space, asleep, in their own worlds... and those who were awake and saw them did not notice them, how their worlds were made like dreams, their own dreams. I saw how the greatest lights strove to shine through:

I saw people reaching out of these vast cocoons of transformation, of escaping death like a man reaches up from vast, dark waters toward the light -- like how the silenced, the put down, the persecuted, the slandered long for justice... they long and move to the Light like a rocket "so their deeds done in the Light might be seen"... but how the wicked move away from it, their worlds also as dreams but constructed of darkness, of death, of true delusion with no substance of goodness to it... and how they fled from the Light like criminals who wish to escape justice and the shame of the exposure of their secret lives, the criminality of their hearts.

Above all, I saw that while there is truth to many of the popular theories about Revelation and prophecy there is also a lot of error, so that it might be fulfilled that the Day and Hour comes "like a thief".

Many have been primed to be tricked, I saw, that by their own sins hidden from themselves, by the deceitfulness of their own hearts they have been waylaid with theories that will catch them by surprise.

I saw a transformation inwardly across the world, of empowerment of great power and joy in the heart, as it is written in Joel 2 and elsewhere so that the entire world loses heart and courage at the sight of the empowered weak, the children of God.

I saw that Revelation 10 had as the secret that there remains still options for mankind, when this Day comes there will be options still for repentance.

This is also as said in Joel 2 which speaks of this Day.

It is as spoken in Jonah and as God told Jeremiah, that if nations or people repent, He will relent in His plans.

I did not and have not seen how any of this will be or even has been fulfilled in terms of prophecy, whether the Day will be as from Revelation 11 or Revelation 19. If I knew, I would say. I remain unsure, though the Lord has brought me through many of the different theories. I was shown this is important, that people must see there are options.

I was shown over many years how almost anything could have already happened or be symbolic or have happened in secret: but not the Second Coming, as it is written in Isaiah of many nations paying tribute to the Lord, and as Jesus spoke.

I was shown that the vultures or eagles spoke of great power base of transformation, where the greats reside and soar.

I do not think this information will be valuable right now, myself, or the value of it the Lord has not shown me except to give me a compulsion to share it on public testimony. This is because the transformation is coming soon and will be unstoppable... it is also not a revival, nor by outside means, but within the heart of the Church -- though I have been shown all have been working unknowningly towards this one great conclusion: Kingdom Come.
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I do not think this information will be valuable right now, myself, or the value of it the Lord has not shown me except to give me a compulsion to share it on public testimony. This is because the transformation is coming soon and will be unstoppable... it is also not a revival, nor by outside means, but within the heart of the Church -- though I have been shown all have been working unknowningly towards this one great conclusion: Kingdom Come.
Amen (with fear and trembling).
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And right in front of me is my recent Bible study notes that seem to answer some of this... hmm...

I reviewed Matthew 24 the other day, and studied in greater depth than usual. Instead of just reviewing Matthew 24, I also reviewed any accompanying text, and used "hidden" knowledge to figure out the secrets of Daniel. Well, I say "hidden", I mean most people don't know it, nor do they acknowledge it, but thorough examination of the Bible leads to such conclusions.

Matthew 24:15 mentions the abomination that causes desolation. There was a recall to three verses, the first of which clearly ID's Antiochus the Wicked (actually the Zeus statue in the Temple) as this person... but leaves open interpretation for another individual... as can be said for the other three mentions... these three mentions being the Seventy Sevens, the North and South Kings, and the King who Exalts himself. Clearly, Antiochus fits this description from history. But he isn't the only one who does. The pattern repeats. See, the King of the North is the King of the remnants of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The King of the South is the King of the remnants of the Southern Kingdom of Israel. The world empires became world empires because they were actually headed by decendants of David. The biggest thing is, Eventually, these empires of the south and of the north came to rest at some place. You can trace it through history as to where they wound up, or you can just research your Bible and look for who fits the bill today. Basically, Russia is the Southern Kingdom, along with Israel itself being the last remnant to be landed. Western Europe and the US are the Northern Kingdom. The thing is, with Russia being Judah (Judea = Benjamin and Judah, = Israel/Jews and Russia, at the time of WWII) we know that when the abomination that causes desolation is seen in the holy place (I think this refers to the Nazi flag being set up in the Vatican), then those who are in Judea (referring to the Jewish remnant, and those living in Russian lands) should flee to the mountains (mountains refers to nations, flee to any nation other than Germany). Good advice, considering that both the Russians and Germans carved a literal path of destruction in the path of their armies, both mass murdered millions, there was not just one Holocaust but two, and the Russians might be considered worse in this regard as they sent whole armies to be slaughtered, they murdered millions more than the Nazis, but even still, my point is at that point in history, the general advice (which Jesus emphatically emphasize with "let the reader understand" was to get out of both nations, leave, get out, or your life will be forfeited). Basically Daniel chapters 11 - 12 reads as a synopsis of WWII in this regard. Matthew 24 does to, up to a point. It is that point, "Immediately after the distress of those days" that most people believe to be a literal sign of his imminent return, but I can read into with my technical background and know is speaking of what must take place beforehand.

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

This gives three distinct things that must happen but should not before Jesus returns. First, the nuclear bomb. Which was not detonated until after Hitler died and WWII in Europe, which is what the second half of Daniel and the first half of Matthew 24 is about. Secondly, satellites. With nuclear weapons, we can destroy ourselves, but out delivery is limited, we can maybe destroy major cities, and at that only a few key targets and battlefields. But with satellites, we could destroy anything on the planet in a few short minutes. Nothing was safe anymore, let alone all life on Earth. Then we were able to travel to the stars. Nothing, at all, in this universe, was safe anymore. We became a very grave danger to all life everywhere, to the safety of the very fabric of the universe. We had grown from being a limited threat to ourselves to being a threat to everything. This is why Jesus must come back. To quote Oppenheimer, the designer of the atom bomb "I have become death, the destroyer of worlds."

I hope this helps. If you have any specific questions, PM me.
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China: Diplomat beaten, injured by Houston police - Yahoo! News

Perhaps a sign of things to come? I note the following things we "know" about what we're going through. First, its likely a repeat of the firstborn plague. Secondly, the righteous and unrighteous have been sifted, are being sorted out. A lot of people are being told to "move" by God and therefore get out of harm's way before something, possibly this mess happens. Third, the preliminary requirement for Jesus to return is mostly, if not completely made up of nuclear and delivery technology. So, there may be some sort of connection there... a sifting of righteous and unrighteous, often through the righteous moving, simply leaving an area, and then there will be a firstborn plague, destroying the unrighteous... consider the story above, a major faux pas with China, and I mean MAJOR. If we went to war with Russia, we'd be looking at a total wipe out, potentially world wide. But China doesn't have that kind of armament. It would be limited, extremely limited and even then, only some of what China launches would get through. Even not considering this... I do think that the firstborn plague will be somewhere in line with this, in line with a war between major powers that goes nuclear. Interestingly, your conception of a light like a supernova is intriguing. Nuclear weapons are in fact miniaturized supernovas. Most people think of them as stars, but they are not. They are actually supernovas. Stars are very inefficient at producing power, but supernovas are terribly efficient. They're basically when a star turns into a nuclear bomb. Maybe something to that???
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Originally Posted by skywatcher365 View Post
And right in front of me is my recent Bible study notes that seem to answer some of this... hmm...

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

This gives three distinct things that must happen but should not before Jesus returns.

Why are you trying to "answer" anything?

Did I pose a question?

Or did I state something which you believe is untrue so that it must be "answered"? If so, what did I state which you do not believe?


I will state this verse:

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken."


Is mystical in fulfillment.


It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons or satellites.
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I couldn't believe it when you talked of the firstborn plague. Recently the Lord has impressed on me that the CA quake is coming. And no I do not know the date.

Last nite He informed me of a possible Midwest quake on the way. And then He lead me to Exodus 12 where the instructions as how to place the blood of the sacrifice on the door posts and be ready to leave at any moment after gathering goods from the Egyptians.

I believe we'd better be prayed up and listening.
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China: Diplomat beaten, injured by Houston police - Yahoo! News

Perhaps a sign of things to come? I note the following things we "know" about what we're going through. First, its likely a repeat of the firstborn plague. Secondly, the righteous and unrighteous have been sifted, are being sorted out. A lot of people are being told to "move" by God and therefore get out of harm's way before something, possibly this mess happens. Third, the preliminary requirement for Jesus to return is mostly, if not completely made up of nuclear and delivery technology. So, there may be some sort of connection there... a sifting of righteous and unrighteous, often through the righteous moving, simply leaving an area, and then there will be a firstborn plague, destroying the unrighteous... consider the story above, a major faux pas with China, and I mean MAJOR. If we went to war with Russia, we'd be looking at a total wipe out, potentially world wide. But China doesn't have that kind of armament. It would be limited, extremely limited and even then, only some of what China launches would get through. Even not considering this... I do think that the firstborn plague will be somewhere in line with this, in line with a war between major powers that goes nuclear. Interestingly, your conception of a light like a supernova is intriguing. Nuclear weapons are in fact miniaturized supernovas. Most people think of them as stars, but they are not. They are actually supernovas. Stars are very inefficient at producing power, but supernovas are terribly efficient. They're basically when a star turns into a nuclear bomb. Maybe something to that???

War with China, war with Russia, nuclear bombs...

No, all of that is idle speculation.

The dream had nothing whatsoever to do with a nuclear weapon.


The flesh is very concerned about such things: what is coming and can come at anytime dwarfs any of those possibilities.

Could these things happen first? Anything could happen first. But mark my words even if Russia, the US, and China got into a full scale third global war with nuclear weapons being set off -- this is dwarfed by what is coming. Nothing in comparison.

Maybe this gives you a better idea of scale. In comparison, such a third world war would be a drop in a bucket.

How can this be? Because this has to do with souls and all of creation.
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I couldn't believe it when you talked of the firstborn plague. Recently the Lord has impressed on me that the CA quake is coming. And no I do not know the date.

Last nite He informed me of a possible Midwest quake on the way. And then He lead me to Exodus 12 where the instructions as how to place the blood of the sacrifice on the door posts and be ready to leave at any moment after gathering goods from the Egyptians.

I believe we'd better be prayed up and listening.
Yes, I already knew of this for a few months. I posted about it some time ago but people generally ridiculed me and thought I was out of my mind. Sort of like the response I got to my post above. Hmm.
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I have, in another post, mentioned something like a passover. That is symbolic and likely has to do with the second coming: when the sheep are separated and spared. Those who are of God and have the Spirit indwelling are separated from those who are not of God. Even within the House of God, of mystical Jerusalem and Israel, there will be a tremendous fire that will test the quality of everyone's work.

This post is not about "this" or "that" "must happen first". If anything, I am trying to relate that if we believe the Second Coming might not come at any time we may be fooling ourselves.

Surely, every believer knows this.

But it is easy to get sidetracked or distracted. There are many ways to say, "The Second Coming can only happen after such and such event".

I do not know when it is coming. No one does. But, I do know the signs are clear and have been these past forty years so we all know well the time is soon.


Many are saying this. They are right.


I will say I have seen much gross evil within the Church. Much of the Church is in "Babylon".
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Originally Posted by skywatcher365 View Post
Yes, I already knew of this for a few months. I posted about it some time ago but people generally ridiculed me and thought I was out of my mind. Sort of like the response I got to my post above. Hmm.

I am sorry you feel you were ridiculed. I did not try and ridicule you. If you have something wrong with something I say, please feel free to tell me what that was.

Even on such a solemn topic as the second coming of Christ, I am not against people posting on irrelevant matters such as some Chinese diplomat being purportedly beaten up in Houston. But I could see how you might have felt that I did not take your subject as seriously as the thread topic, on the Second Coming of Christ, and might feel ridiculed.

I believe you are a very smart individual. There may or may not be merit with your topic on "the north and the south". That the end will have similarities to the Passover is sure. There are many arguments on these things, I did not address them.

I did address that what I am talking about is something which dwarfs even a possible global world war with nuclear weapons. That is not ridiculing anyone. That is simply explaining what I am talking about with the original post, which is very difficult to put into words.
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