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Unread 1st May 2010, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ReformedChapin View Post
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I'm wondering if this is the church the vid is talking about.
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Originally Posted by kenrapoza View Post
Funny..Northpoint Community Church is pastored by Andy Stanley, son of famed Baptist Pastor Charles Stanley. How vapid. I have high blood pressure now.

This video is not of his church. The church in the video is pastored by Tommy Sparger of North Point Church. The website Home (North Point Church -- Springfield, MO) is on the bottom of their youtube video.
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Originally Posted by ReformedChapin View Post
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I'm wondering if this is the church the vid is talking about.


No. The church in the video is pastored by Tommy Sparger of North Point Church. The website Home (North Point Church -- Springfield, MO) is on the bottom of their youtube video.
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Originally Posted by kenrapoza View Post
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!! That's the one!

It's a different church.
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Originally Posted by VCViking View Post
No. The church in the video is pastored by Tommy Sparger of North Point Church. The website Home (North Point Church -- Springfield, MO) is on the bottom of their youtube video.
Thanks for the correction although the other church seems just as bad.
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Not now but I used to attend a "seeker-friendly church" piece a crap.
Our church was formed after some of us left a church that was a terrific church until the pastor there decided to take us in a seeker sensitive direction.

After that, it became more about entertaining the goats than feeding the sheep.

Now, we love to welcome "seekers", should they choose to visit, but we do church for the body of Christ, not for the world.

We don't even advertise our church and yet, it's grown twenty fold since we started and are about to dedicate our third building since then. We just preach the word of God faithfully and let God draw who He wants to draw.

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What's with the "seeker friendly" method? So as not to step on toes?
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The idea is not to put "stumbling blocks" in the way of un-churched people coming to church, to try to make them feel as comfortable and at home as possible. Unfortunately, to be consistent it must include a wholesale downplaying of Biblical preaching on law and gospel, as this message is an offense.
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By the way, I just ran across this blurb on the Heidelblog that hits on the same subject of what the real meaning is behind "seeker sensitive":

"...Now, the church growth gurus never advertised this result. What they advertised was numerical growth in the congregation. In other words, what was really being offered was a way to minimize the antithesis between belief and unbelief, between the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light in order to make non-Christians feel 'comfortable' in church so that they would stay or come back next week all to the end, ostensibly, of reaching them with the gospel. When exactly this bait and switch was to happen was not always made clear nor was it always clear what 'the gospel' is.

Martin is quite right. Do we want 'church growth'? Yes! We want to see sinners brought to a knowledge of their sins and to saving faith in Savior. We want to see them become disciples, members of the Christ-confessing covenant community. We want to see them grow in grace but, as Martin says, that 'won’t happen with clever ideas derived from a flawed strategic planning process.'"
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