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27th April 2010, 12:02 PM
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That fact that Barabas was an insurrectionist being released into Roman rule again wouldn't have been a wise discision.
The irony here is that they essentially labeled Jesus an insurrectionist and wanted him killed for that, then demanded the release of an insurrectionist (Barabbas) likely for the purpose of starting an insurrection.
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27th April 2010, 12:45 PM
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Reps: 5,960,533,553,652,202,496 (power: 5,960,533,553,652,239) | | Originally Posted by simonthezealot The irony here is that they essentially labeled Jesus an insurrectionist and wanted him killed for that, then demanded the release of an insurrectionist (Barabbas) likely for the purpose of starting an insurrection.
ya think? That's pretty much what I meant about them wanting a god to do their bidding, rather than a Messiah to rule them.
No one has yet commented the correlation of them replacing God with another king. Just illussions to it. I think it's important to see the significance of the event. |
27th April 2010, 01:33 PM
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No one has yet commented the correlation of them replacing God with another king. Just illussions to it. I think it's important to see the significance of the event.
Who is 'they' and who did they replace G-d with? Not understanding what you mean.
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27th April 2010, 01:44 PM
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Reps: 5,960,533,553,652,202,496 (power: 5,960,533,553,652,239) | | Originally Posted by Lulav Who is 'they' and who did they replace G-d with? Not understanding what you mean.
'them' are the people that God was trying to lead in the time of Jesus, now and at the time of Samuel.
At the time of Samuel 'they' replaced God with a national king, like the other nations.
God said"It isn't you (Samuel) that they have rejected but Me (God) by placing a king over them"
Again they (the people of the old Jerusalem) said "We have no king but Ceasar" again rejecting God for the rule of an earthly king.
I say now also because the people that God is trying to lead in Christianity still choose to have leaders instead of direct contact with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives. Instead they put others between thenselves and God like insulation that cuts off the flow of the Spirit to their spirit. Insurrectionists? I doubt if they would call themselves that, but they are choosing their own way over Jesus. |
28th April 2010, 04:24 AM
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I'd be interested in their reference. |
28th April 2010, 04:29 AM
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Reps: 341,443,135,782,654,208 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Lulav so you don't believe in the Gospel accounts that they are true eyewitness reports? So what is your faith based on?
None of the authors of the Gospels were a witness to Jesus' death. There is great meaning in the story of choosing Barabbas over Jesus.
What meaning? The the authors, who were not a witnesses, had to come up with a story. There was probably some scuttlebutt doing the rounds and that is what they probably latched onto to fill out their narratives. Jesus is a Hellinized form of his real Hebrew name which means Salvation or the Salvation of G-d. Something The L-RD promised throughout the Torah and the prophets.
The name translated into Barabbas is actually a anglicized word from the Hebrew name of Bar Abba
Bar= Son ( like you have heard of a Bar mitzvah? Bar meaning Son and mitzvah meaning covenant, so they are becoming a son of the covenant).
Abba - I think you all know this word, it means Father
So his name in literal translation meant 'Son of the Father'..............
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28th April 2010, 04:34 AM
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Reps: 341,443,135,782,654,208 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by maid in His image A worldly view of biblical text wasn't what I was looking for.
You want fiction or fact? The narrative of Barabas is for instruction as is all biblical text. What is the objective of the story then?
An explanation. So your saying that what we're to learn from this is the bible is full of made up garbage that is best ignored?
I didn't say anything of the sort. Please go back and re-read. While I agree that what is left out was probably significant also, I don't believe that what your infering as to sets of events were fabricated for the sake of the telling. What you leave out is very telling tho. Scripture comparisons tell more about what the Spirit says on the topic.
Again - I did not say the events were fabricated. Re-read my post. Perhaps you would like to comment on the comparisons of post #4 of the rent-a-mobs comments of having no king but Ceasar in comparison to the people's cries for a king in 1 Samuel. It seems little has changed from that time.
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28th April 2010, 04:39 AM
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A fair question but I can't think which of his many books, articles or lectures it would be in.
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28th April 2010, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by maid in His image 
Perhaps you would like to comment on the comparisons of post #4 of the rent-a-mobs comments of having no king but Ceasar in comparison to the people's cries for a king in 1 Samuel. It seems little has changed from that time.
Pilate represented the nation that the people of old Jerusalem were identifying with by saying that they had no king but Ceasar. |
28th April 2010, 04:13 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,890) | | Originally Posted by maid in His image Pilate represented the nation that the people of old Jerusalem were identifying with by saying that they had no king but Ceasar.
Paul thought it in his best interest to appeal to Caesar 
John 19:15 Those yet Cry-out "take-away! take-away! crucify! Him". Is saying to them the Pilate "the King of ye I shall be crucifying?". Answered the Chief-priests "not we are having a King except Caesar
Acts 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die.
But if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them.
I appeal unto Caesar.
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