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Old 21st April 2010, 02:00 AM
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OSAS Arminian????

I saw a member here claim to hold to OSAS and claim to be Arminian.

OSAS Arminians (that is me)
To me, this is a contridiction of terms.

One of the tenants of Arminisnism is:

Falling from Grace
Those who believe and are truly saved can lose their salvation by failing to keep up their faith, etc. All Arminians have not been agreed on this point; some have held that believers are eternally secure in Christ - that once a sinner is regenerated, he can never be lost.
As opposed to Calvinism, which teaches:

Perseverance of the Saints
All who are chosen by God, redeemed by Christ, and given faith by the Spirit are eternally saved. They are kept in faith by the power of Almighty God and thus persevere to the end.
So, how can an individual maintain, or advocte OSAS and maintain an Arminian viewpoint? Is it even possible?

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Old 21st April 2010, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DeaconDean View Post
I saw a member here claim to hold to OSAS and claim to be Arminian.



To me, this is a contridiction of terms.

One of the tenants of Arminisnism is:



As opposed to Calvinism, which teaches:



So, how can an individual maintain, or advocte OSAS and maintain an Arminian viewpoint? Is it even possible?

God Bless

Till all are one.
OSAS and Perseverance are not the same thing. So yes it is possible for an Arminian to hold to OSAS. OSAS says that once you make a decision to allow Jesus into your heart you are always saved no matter how you live. Perseverance teaches that God, by grace, keeps the chosen redeemed sinner who has been given the gift of faith in Christ in faith. The original Remonstrants were undecided on the issue actually. Now I may be wrong on this one but I believe it was Wesleyan Arminianism that taught falling away. Arminainism comes in many shades now just as does Calvinism. The doctrine of OSAS gave birth among Arminians to easy believism. I have known many Arminians who held to OSAS. What they have done is take the Scriptures that clearly teach that it is impossible for a true believer to finally fall away and twist it into a doctrine that makes salvation a one time thing that you get when you make a decision.
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Old 21st April 2010, 11:58 PM
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I disagree brother.

One of the tenants of Arminianism is that one can lose their salvation.

As Arminianism teaches:

Eternal security is also conditional: All believers have full assurance of salvation with the condition that they remain in Christ. Salvation is conditioned on faith, therefore perseverance is also conditioned. Apostasy (turning from Christ) is only committed through a deliberate, willful rejection of Jesus and renouncement of belief.
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Salvation, in Arminainism, is contengent upon you remaining "in Christ" upon the condition of faith.

Even John wesley advocated this position:

Possibility of apostasy Wesley fully accepted the Arminian view that genuine Christians could apostatize and lose their salvation, as his famous sermon "A Call to Backsliders" clearly demonstrates. Harper summarizes as follows: "the act of committing sin is not in itself ground for the loss of salvation...the loss of salvation is much more related to experiences that are profound and prolonged. Wesley sees two primary pathways that could result in a permanent fall from grace: unconfessed sin and the actual expression of apostasy." Wesley disagrees with Arminius, however, in maintaining that such apostasy was not final. When talking about those who have made "shipwreck" of their faith (1 Tim 1:19), Wesley claims that "not one, or a hundred only, but I am persuaded, several thousands...innumerable are the instances...of those who had fallen but now stand upright."
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The OSAS position, goes against the basics of Arminianism.

They are incompatable.

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Originally Posted by DeaconDean View Post
I disagree brother.

One of the tenants of Arminianism is that one can lose their salvation.

As Arminianism teaches:



Source

Salvation, in Arminainism, is contengent upon you remaining "in Christ" upon the condition of faith.

Even John wesley advocated this position:



Source

The OSAS position, goes against the basics of Arminianism.

They are incompatable.

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Yes they are incompatible. But do you know any consistent Arminians?
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I was a OSAS Arminian. And yes it is inconsistant.
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Yep, it definitely is inconsistent. Yet many Christians believe it anyway.
Our senior pastor calls himself a one point Calvinist (as he does agree with the P), or a four point Arminian. He doesn't support easy believism for the most part. His argument is that once the person becomes a believer God takes control, chooses them, holds them firmly in His hand, etc. etc.

Now, our associate pastor is in much worse shape. Recently he preached on OSAS, using some horrific analogies, such as comparing the Holy Spirit to the keys to your car, etc. And that we can have assurance of our salvation through our tight grasp on His hand (um, can anyone say BACKWARDS?). It was so pathetic I seriously nearly walked out of the service. Though that's pretty much what we've come to expect from that guy. Needless to say, I'm still utterly discouraged by the complete lack of doctrinally sound teaching in my city.
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Yikes. That's bad even for an Arminian.
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There is no such thing as an OSAS arminian. There might be an OSAS calminian but believing in OSAS forces one out of the arminian camp.
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Calminian?
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Calminian?


A confused arminianish person who accepts some calvinism like OSAS.

Calminian.

I think a lot of Baptists are calminians.
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