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Old 16th April 2010, 06:24 PM
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End of Times - Does Jesus Know The Date?

Matthew 24 - 36:

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Please use scripture to prove your examples.

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No, He doesn't know the date.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."- Matthew 24 - 36.

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Originally Posted by theVirginian View Post
No, He doesn't know the date.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."- Matthew 24 - 36.

^Thanks!

Couple other questions:

1.) If neither the Son, nor the angels, but only the Father knows when the end of times is, how then does Jesus have an idea as to when the end will come?

Matthew 24:14:

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and THEN the end will come.

2.) If He doesn't know, then that would imply that Jesus is not God, correct? If not, please explain.
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Originally Posted by CantThinkofaUserName View Post
^Thanks!

Couple other questions:

1.) If neither the Son, nor the angels, but only the Father knows when the end of times is, how then does Jesus have an idea as to when the end will come?

Matthew 24:14:

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and THEN the end will come.

2.) If He doesn't know, then that would imply that Jesus is not God, correct? If not, please explain.
"Jesus gave them this answer: 'I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.'" - John 5:19-23

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." - John 1:1-3

This gives us insight into the relationship between the Father and the Son. The Son is there to do the Father's will. How does he know what the Father's will is? Because the Father shares it with him. The Father had not shared the day or the hour of the Son's return to Earth with the Son at the time when Jesus said he didn't know the day or the hour. But he did share what it was going to be like when he does come back.

Given all this, are the Father and Son two different gods? No. After all, you do need a brain to call the shots and appendages to do what the brain wants to do. God is a huge and complex being well beyond our understanding. He is complex in his unity, which led believers to theorize the Trinity.
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Originally Posted by twistedsketch View Post
But he did share what it was going to be like when he does come back.
Good point. Jesus speaks of the occurrences, not of the actual date.

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Given all this, are the Father and Son two different gods? No.
Three yet one - perhaps a mystery that cannot be understood by the mind.

But can you please attempt to explain to me, using scripture, or even your opinion, how Jesus can be God and not know everything God knows?
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Originally Posted by CantThinkofaUserName View Post
Three yet one - perhaps a mystery that cannot be understood by the mind.

But can you please attempt to explain to me, using scripture, or even your opinion, how Jesus can be God and not know everything God knows?
Well, there's God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All three are God, yet each of them has their roles. The Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Spirit. But all three are one God. Kind of like a three headed creature, or the three leaflets in a single shamrock leaf. The three leaflets don't need to be exactly alike, nor do the three heads need to have 100% of their knowledge in common, but they keep their distinction while being part of the larger whole.
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figuratively one...not literally one. It's like saying your spirit and you are one in being, but two separate entities...does that make sense to you? It's all conceptual to us.
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Three yet one - perhaps a mystery that cannot be understood by the mind.
But can you please attempt to explain to me, using scripture, or even your opinion, how Jesus can be God and not know everything God knows?
God is a title and not a name: (Kinda like Mr. President)
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

We are told in many scriptural examples of the three having different roles or knowledge that are independent of one another. Yet God is all knowing and all powerful.

The three together make one God.

Kinda like the US Government. There is only one governing body that presided over the United States, but the government is divided into the Legislative branch, the Judicial branch and the Executive branch. All three are distinct, but equal in their roles, and yet there is only one government.
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Originally Posted by twistedsketch View Post
Well, there's God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All three are God, yet each of them has their roles. The Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Spirit. But all three are one God. Kind of like a three headed creature, or the three leaflets in a single shamrock leaf. The three leaflets don't need to be exactly alike, nor do the three heads need to have 100% of their knowledge in common, but they keep their distinction while being part of the larger whole.
Gotcha, thanks!

Using a human body as an example: The brain is the Father, the heart is the Son, and the soul is the Spirit. They're all within "one" body, but the mind is not the heart, it's the mind, yet they're all very closely related to one another within the body.

Wonder if there's a connection to the cross. When people touch their foreheads and say, "the Father", then their heart and say, "the Son", and then the shoulders and say, "the Holy Spirit." Thinking out loud...sorry.
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