I don't think any Christian past or present would encourage or condone using entheogens. We all have a normal, default state of mind with which to perceive reality, and altering that state of mind is leaving yourself open to self-deception, especially because the experiences can feel so real. Even with alcohol, you know a drunk man perceives that his jokes and antics are really funny, but sober people around him know they're not.
And a related joke about perception:
Q: What did the hippie say when he ran out of pot?
A: Man, this music sucks.
No drugs arn't spiritual-in fact it opens up windows for satan.
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Satan resides in the spiritual world, so yes drugs can indeed be spiritual. Just know once you enter into the spirit realm you do not have control as to who may seek you out.
Also we are told in Eph 5 to not get drunk on wine but to be "filled" or (Drunk in some translations) with the Spirit. This is about the closest we get to dealing with drugs specifically. The Idea is not to give control of your mind and faculties to a substance, but to the Holy Spirit of God.
Church was never ment to be safe. Or comfortable. Or predictable. God isn't any of those things. Church is supposed to arrest our pride. Church is meant to crush our selfishness. Church was created to carry our heartache and comfort our affliction. Church is where we find community, express compassion and engage in mission. But Church without God does none of that...
...When Church stops being about us, it can be about God again!
Possibly, but they rarely seem to have POSITIVE spiritual value. Certainly psychedelics can be fun and can even lead to strange and thought provoking experiences but from my observation and personal experience they really don't help us become better more loving people. The first few times you use psychedelics you may very well get the feeling that it's all so "spiritual" and "meaningful" but generally if you continue using them you realize that it's not really as profound as you once thought it was.
"The soul which bears abundant clusters of fruit is the one which has driven out of itself anything that says: 'This man is good, and that man is bad; this man is just and that man is a sinner.'... The barren soul is the one which judges its neighbor as being good or evil... When the grace visits us, the light of the love of our fellow-men, which is shed on the mirror of our heart, is such that we do not see in the world any sinners or evil men; but when we are under the influence of the demons, we are so much in the darkness of wrath that do not see a single good or upright man in the world."
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Drugs are used by pagans as a portal to their god. We don't take our lead from them.
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What psychedelic drugs (DMT in particular) have proven, is that all these "near death experiences", filled with angels and bright lights and "oneness with God", are completely fake and produced by your pineal gland pumping out DMT just before death.
I find it hillarious there are people who still think this is a "mystical experience" or even more so, proof of an afterlife.
Post #7 is spot on. Some of the earlier trips can really seriously influence your life though.
Basically theres a whole lot of people out there looking for "more". The devil loves that, people can be very deep and spiritual and in touch with their god, while completely missing THE God who's been staring them in the face so long they can't see Him anymore (if theyre constantly thinking on the last trip)
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