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two greek words

do the words akathartos and koinos mean the same thing?


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Why not show us some verses they are used in and tell us your view of those words.....I also noticed you have a thread on 2 Hebrew words.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7456215/

Not sure if the GT board is the appropriate place for this though. This would seem to be a better board to put it on:

http://www.christianforums.com/f804/
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Originally Posted by cyberlizard View Post
do the words akathartos and koinos mean the same thing?


Steve
Inital response is no, although there is a however...

Akathartos is the opposite of kathartos (a-katharotes), a word meaning cleanliness/purity (in a Levitical sense). Akathartos thus relates to things which are ceremonially impure/unclean or morally impure/unclean (impure thoughts etc).

Koinos means common, and refers to things that are common/ordinary to a large number of people (Koine Greek being the common language).
The 'however', there are some instances where contextually the two do have a similar meaning (i.e Mark 7:2, the disciples ate with 'koinos' hands. They had not been washed, so were common and ordinary (as was the case with the general population most of the time), but contextually also fit the definition of 'akathartos' as they were considered unclean by Levitical Law).


The two do have different meanings, and usually refer to different things, but there are occasions when the difference in meaning becomes blurred by context.
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Jude wanted to write a letter about the salvation they held in common κοινῆς (koines) but then wrote about other matters. Koines doesn't have the negative feel in this verse. Salvation is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Mr Dave View Post
Inital response is no, although there is a however...

Akathartos is the opposite of kathartos (a-katharotes), a word meaning cleanliness/purity (in a Levitical sense). Akathartos thus relates to things which are ceremonially impure/unclean or morally impure/unclean (impure thoughts etc).

Koinos means common, and refers to things that are common/ordinary to a large number of people (Koine Greek being the common language).

The two do have different meanings, and usually refer to different things, but there are occasions when the difference in meaning becomes blurred by context.
Is there anyway someone can look up where those greek words are used in the LXX OT?

169. akathartos ak-ath'-ar-tos from 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of 2508 (meaning cleansed); impure (ceremonially, morally (lewd) or specially, (demonic)):--foul, unclean.
2508. kathairo kath-ah'-ee-ro from 2513; to cleanse, i.e. (specially) to prune; figuratively, to expiate:--purge.
2513. katharos kath-ar-os' of uncertain affinity; clean (literally or figuratively):--clean, clear, pure.

2839. koinos koy-nos' probably from 4862; common, i.e. (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane:--common, defiled, unclean, unholy.
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Originally Posted by Mr Dave View Post
Inital response is no, although there is a however...

Akathartos is the opposite of kathartos (a-katharotes), a word meaning cleanliness/purity (in a Levitical sense). Akathartos thus relates to things which are ceremonially impure/unclean or morally impure/unclean (impure thoughts etc).

Koinos means common, and refers to things that are common/ordinary to a large number of people (Koine Greek being the common language).
The 'however', there are some instances where contextually the two do have a similar meaning (i.e Mark 7:2, the disciples ate with 'koinos' hands. They had not been washed, so were common and ordinary (as was the case with the general population most of the time), but contextually also fit the definition of 'akathartos' as they were considered unclean by Levitical Law).


The two do have different meanings, and usually refer to different things, but there are occasions when the difference in meaning becomes blurred by context.
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus View Post
Is there anyway someone can look up where those greek words are used in the LXX OT?

169. akathartos ak-ath'-ar-tos from 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of 2508 (meaning cleansed); impure (ceremonially, morally (lewd) or specially, (demonic)):--foul, unclean.
2508. kathairo kath-ah'-ee-ro from 2513; to cleanse, i.e. (specially) to prune; figuratively, to expiate:--purge.
2513. katharos kath-ar-os' of uncertain affinity; clean (literally or figuratively):--clean, clear, pure.

2839. koinos koy-nos' probably from 4862; common, i.e. (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane:--common, defiled, unclean, unholy.
The only way I know of is to look up the common words that are usually listed as translated as. Makes life hard. I wish I knew of a revrese lexicon. I am not sure but I think there are bible programs for puter that do such.
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