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26th February 2010, 08:58 PM
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Reps: 23,669,011,280 (power: 23,669,015) | | | Philosophy of Love God and love are the two hardest things to understand in life. This is because of their infinite, un definable nature. God is love and without God love cannot exist. Though both terms have been boxed and used in a devalued since, they contain great power and meaning. Love must be defined in a way that one can tell when it is love by indicators while at the same time not boxing it in.
You wake up feeling a depressingly empty void, your heart pounds screaming for the the one thing you desire. Overwhelmed you ask God, “Help fill me with your spirit and let me live this day with joy and power! At first you feel nothing and your heart cries out. “Father I need you please restore me! I can't stand it without you!” As you do so, the emptiness is is like a soothing mist as it leaves your soul. Your breath shakes with pure comfort. All worries gone, you have all you need for the day. Your soul stills in relief as you come close to tears. Purpose stills your thoughts, and peace overcomes the thing that had you inexplicably lost. What is this thing that man needs so much? It is Love, no not the feelings that come as a result, but love itself. This simple yet beautiful thing is often confused by the emotions it is associated with. So then what is love?
“Love is just a feeling,” replies a friend, “true love does not exist!” The friend here is not actually a friend, or even a person. It is the evil buried deep in the heart of every man, woman, and child. It is the evil that takes away our hope. It is the thing that seeks to destroy us, to steal the joy from our souls! To separate us from Love! Love can be stolen from us because contrary to popular belief, Love is not a feeling. It is a thing that permeates all existence. It is a thing that destroys fear, and gives man the power to overcome. No it is not a feeling, it is a transcendent being fully aware, bursting with life and bring piece and pleasure in its familiar beauty. He has a distant connection with the core of who we are that draws us in like an infant drawn to it's mothers breast. He fills the missing piece of our identity and satisfies our need for purpose, which is actually a need to feel valued, to feel the presence of God. Love is complexly beautiful, it is a pure unmasked beauty. It is genuine, familiar and majestic. Love is a thing that does not disapear as feelings do. When the feelings we associate with love leave it is because it is being covered by the nothingness we call evil. It is being crowded out, separated from us though it still exists. It is still there, it is behind an invisible wall, as if a chasm has been created between you.
Love desires nothing but perfection, beauty and majesty. It desires to be in all things that none may perish. It desires to be with its creation to spend time with its creation. Love can not create anything lacking love. In creation man was made in the perfect likeness of love. Love simply desires to to expand and overwhelm, to explore into the infinite depth of beauty constantly making new things and viewing the old things as if they were new. It give its self to pleasure joy and unity, to be one with all things. Love desires utter perfection and joy. Loving equally every piece of itself. Everything love creates becomes part of love. Yet darkness seeks to destroy love, to take its place. This evil is called Satin. He too was once part of love but denied it wanting it all for himself. Desiring to take it away from others and to have every last piece. This is the origin of evil, though all creation was perfect and in harmony. Evil came into existence when the creation marveled in its own beauty and said to itself why should we all give ourselves to this king. Why should we share in God. Look I am beautiful too, share in me! The love saw its own absence and found fault in its perfect creation. This absence then deceived the most prized creation of God, the part of creation that was like him in every way was lead into destroying it's self. It chose to gain knowledge of pain, death and suffering. Knowledge of self seeking. Some wonder why this happened, how love could let this happen. Some even falsely accuse God of creating evil. God is love and can not make something not containing part of who he is. How then is there evil? Is evil more powerful than God?
Part of what makes love truly love is that it is free. It is not bound, but free to choose. However to choose to harm another is also a destruction of love. Jesus was a sign that love still exists and that no amount of evil can destroy it. As gravity draws objects to one another, love draws people to one another. Love Always fights to be reunited with itself, to repair its damaged works. However it can only repair its damaged works by making it freely choose to love. God showed his power to destroy evil and restore beauty. Yet we cannot contain God without having him leak out through our weekeness and onto another. Man is in constant need of his presence. We were not created to be self sufficient so that we may befriend one another and fellowship with Christ. God has no beginning and therefore no end, yet evil does have its end because it also had a beginning! There is a time when it will be forever separated from all of the God filled creation! We are a part of a war and if we choose Love it will win over evil.
Love is unchanging yet infinite. It can never be fully understood but it can be recognized. Love is undying, love is unselfish, love is never self serving and always kind. Love is always patient and slow to anger. Love seeks the best in everyone. God is love and man was made for God. Purpose is just a way of seeking what we lost, and as long as we seek a truer purpose our purpose will find us. Love desires to spread the good news and discover new things. Love exists outside the things it created and enters its creation to win the hearts of the creation that rejected it. Love does not forget, but it always forgives and love is a thing!
(Please note that love only takes pleasure in good and seeks the removal of evil. We are made pure only through accepting Christ and repenting!) | 
27th February 2010, 02:20 AM
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Reps: 341,443,135,782,654,208 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by chews Please note that love only takes pleasure in good and seeks the removal of evil.
The love of which Jesus speaks have nothing to do with perfection, or glory, beauty or majesty. True love involves rejection.
The 'mystery' of the cross is in the recognition that there is nothing in love which resonates with human concepts of perfection, beauty or majesty. There is no 'majesty' in dying on a cross - a criminal's death - alongside two thieves. There is no 'majesty' in rejection and humiliation.
Jesus said, 'Let the dead bury the dead' - for there is not glory and majesty to be found in following Jesus. As Dietrich Bonhoeffer says, 'the very notion of a suffering messiah was a scandal to the Church, even in its earliest days'.
If you wish to conquer evil you too will have to take up that cross of humiliation, rejection and suffering. Jesus says, ' IF any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up HIS cross'. There is no glory or majesty offered here.
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27th February 2010, 06:58 AM
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Reps: 808,091,136,707,788,800 (power: 808,091,136,707,806) | | | Philosophy of Love. Dear chews. When Jesus died for us it was Love as its purest, and deepest. The love God wants from us is selfless and given with hearts and hands. St. Paul describes it very well in 1) Corinthians, chapter 22. Love is always given freely, with no strings attached, and often longsuffering and without malice or envy. God is Love, and we are most fortunate that to live for Christ is not followed by torture of any kind, or even death. The Love we are asked to have for God is with heart, soul and mind. God is Worthy and He is our Heavenly Father, who made us in His image, and who wants us back again to live eternally with Him, and each other. The love we are asked to have for our fellow-men and fellow-women, is to treat them with kindness, consideration, charity and without ill-feelings of any kind. Our love to each other is best shown by treating each other as we would like to be treated. Love is a mighty weapon, and Love could change this imperfect world into life abundantly, as Jesus promised us. I say this humbly and with love, chews. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ. P.S. To pick up one`s cross and follow Jesus, is to let all see what is most important to us, a life with Jesus and unburdened by the pleasures of this world. | 
27th February 2010, 01:14 PM
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Reps: 23,669,011,280 (power: 23,669,015) | | | Yes that was an act of love. My point is love is living infinite and unchanging and can't be defined. What you just said is characteristic of the desires of love. | 
27th February 2010, 09:23 PM
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Reps: 341,443,135,782,654,208 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by chews Yes that was an act of love. My point is love is living infinite and unchanging and can't be defined. What you just said is characteristic of the desires of love.
As I understand your posts you have indicated that love somehow 'removes' evil. How do you see this happening in life? | 
28th February 2010, 01:56 AM
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Reps: 23,669,011,280 (power: 23,669,015) | | | Evil is the absences of love. Evil unlike love is not alive but dead. The message of the bible is one of hope that life can overcome death. Sin is the path to death yet Love conquered sin at the cross when love took sin on upon it's self. My point is if you chose love with all your heart soul and mind and don't give up but hold stead fast the pains and hurts of death will not over come you. Pressed but not crushed persecuted not abandoned. If we have life in christ that means death has been defeated which means evil has lost its power. Evil is not a thing but an absences there of. Even atheist beliefs hold to the idea of something overcame nothing. Where light enters can there also be darkness? No because darkness is the absence of light by definition so how can there be an absence of light in the light? Think of as God as the light and the light as love! The darkness is evil. There are places of where evil is but only because love (God) has not been let in. Since we ourselves are evil in our nature we would cease to be if we were 100% filled with Gods presence in an instant. So rather God enters us little by little to transform who we are and to make us light ourselves! | 
1st March 2010, 07:14 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,808) | | Part of what makes love truly love is that it is free.
Free of, or from what? It is not bound, but free to choose.
Love doesn't make choices, that is will, not love. However to choose to harm another is also a destruction of love.
Well then, that rules out "freedom to choose" as being definitive of love.
It looks like love is quality of character that influences, but doesn't make choices.
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1st March 2010, 08:18 PM
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2nd March 2010, 04:37 AM
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Reps: 137,728,672,736,575,984 (power: 0) | | | Romans 8 shows us that nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. The love of God is in Christ Jesus. 1 John 4 shows us that God is love. 1 John 4:10 “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.” So the philosophy of love is God, ‘God is love’ not ‘love is god’ It doesn’t matter what we feel or think about love it can’t change the truth of what Christ has done for us | 
2nd March 2010, 02:26 PM
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