Pro-death penalty? Quit crying about murder.

Wicked Willow · #41 10th February 2010, 02:58 AM

Justified how?

Following the logic behind the death penalty, Saul of Tarsus should have been convicted and executed as a murderer of innocent Christians long before he ever got the chance to become St. Paul, the venerated apostle of the gentiles.

That's not to say that there aren't irredeemable killers out there, people so twisted that they will never cease to pose a threat to the well-being of innocents - but that's what prisons are for: to contain such people. It just won't do to stoop to the level of murderers in the name of revenge.

Besides, the death penalty does not serve as a deterrent, or else we would detect a significant rise in murder cases whenever a country abolishes it. As it is, most developed countries have long since abandoned the practice, yet it did not result in violent crime sprees.

And from what I've heard, it's not even as if death row inmates would weigh LESS heavily on the tax payers purse, just in case someone wants to talk economics. If memory serves, the death penalty is considerably more expensive than a life sentence.

AMOG · #42 10th February 2010, 03:02 AM

Theoreticly, I think the death penelty is a good idea. But the theory breaks down in practice. A small but significant number of police officers make bad arrests based on "gut" instincts. Detectives don't do their jobs. Crime labs fudge evidence. Prosicuters prosicute for political advantage. Only the rich can afford tallented lawyers. Juries rely on predjudice over fact. The list goes on an on. Today, in America, it is truly a frightening thing for an innocent man to fall into the hands of the law.

Until and unless guilt can be absolutly proven, the death penelty should be shelved.

Duckybill · #43 10th February 2010, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by AMOG

Theoreticly, I think the death penelty is a good idea. But the theory breaks down in practice. A small but significant number of police officers make bad arrests based on "gut" instincts. Detectives don't do their jobs. Crime labs fudge evidence. Prosicuters prosicute for political advantage. Only the rich can afford tallented lawyers. Juries rely on predjudice over fact. The list goes on an on. Today, in America, it is truly a frightening thing for an innocent man to fall into the hands of the law.

Until and unless guilt can be absolutly proven, the death penelty should be shelved.

Excellent!!!!!!

sk8Joyful · #44 10th February 2010, 03:48 AM

Agreed on No death-penalty, for after all God did say "do not kill" (except while defending Loved ones).

Originally Posted by sacredsin

I'm not so much anti-death penalty, as I am pro-punishment.

ok

Originally Posted by sacredsin

I would rather a criminal spend the rest of their lives
behind bars (so to speak), than have an easy out (death).
Personally
I find jail a fate worse than death so I find it fitting.

You're assuming, what is true for you, is also true for a Criminal mind?

Originally Posted by sacredsin

Now the only issue is making sure there is plenty of room in our prisons, and possibly rehabbing said criminals.

Terribly naive. - For instance, a pedophile criminal-mind, telling you "No intention!, of changing well-worn lifestyle,
only to satisfy the rest of society" - you would rehab HOW??
.

LightHorseman · #45 10th February 2010, 04:53 AM

Is there any rational debate that can't be improved by witch-hunting paedophiles?

sk8Joyful · #46 10th February 2010, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by LightHorseman

Is there any rational debate that can't be improved
by witch-hunting paedophiles?

As per the previous comment, what is your own 1st-hand experience? being 'tricked/manipulated/coerced' into
marrying, & then divorcing, such a pedophile Criminal. - Do tell.

LightHorseman · #47 10th February 2010, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

As per the previous comment, what is your own 1st-hand experience? being 'tricked/manipulated/coerced' into
marrying, & then divorcing, such a pedophile Criminal. - Do tell.

Never claimed I had any such experience. So what? Would having such experience make the possibility of executing innocent people any more palatable?

LightHorseman · #48 10th February 2010, 06:38 AM

On a totally unrelated subject, Sk8joyful, you know the two pics at the bottom of your page are dead links, right?

Belk · #49 10th February 2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

Agreed on No death-penalty, for after all God did say "do not kill" (except while defending Loved ones).

Agreed. Never thought I would see the day when I agreed with you on something Skate.

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

You're assuming, what is true for you, is also true for a Criminal mind?

Would seem a fairly safe assumption. We are all human and can therefore relate on at least some level

Skaloop · #50 10th February 2010, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Letalis

I don't cry about murder. I'm strongly in favor of the death penalty. I have no desire for revenge, justice is an illusion, but I believe strongly in the deterrent factor.

As mentioned, it doesn't seem to act as much of a deterrent.

Furthermore, there are already deterrents. Life in prison, for example. If somebody isn't deterred by that, chances are they won't be deterred by the death penalty, either. The sorts of crimes that warrant the death penalty aren't usually done by the sort of criminal who weighs the consequences.