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6th February 2010, 05:51 AM
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Reps: 178,751,386,065,373,056 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by mont974x4  The death penalty, in its present state, is a farce and denies justice for all involved. There should be a time limit on the appeals process and the hangings should be public.
The goal is not rehab or deterence but just punishment. The prisons are not for the liberals social engineering, they are about proper recompense for crimes. You take a life, you forfeit your own.
And to the point of the OP... how do you know all those you publicly hang are guilty?
Personally, I believe there ARE criminals who deserve to be executed. I don't trust our legal system to always correctly determine who they are though. I'd rather let a million guilty murderers go free than execute an innocent. |
6th February 2010, 10:28 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,067) | | Originally Posted by quatona I can "be ok" with something (e.g. because it appears to be the best option of all available ones, though not something that we would imagine to take place in paradise), yet it can still "be sad" about the fact that this needs to be done (in lack of a better alternative). Ultimately this sadness is presumably the sadness about paradise lost (or never having existed, in the first place).
And I actually think the same way about it, though I did not specify, so let me.
If you are sad about the innocents killed on death row, but you have considered the issue and think it is a necessary risk, then while I disagree with you, I see no inconsistency if you are sad about more commonplace murders as well.
If you are not saddened by the loss of innocent lives on death row, then I do see inconsistency (but since when has inconsistency in humans been a new thing?).
That being said, to keep my thread similar to the thread that triggered it (which has since been modded out of existence), I did not go into great detail.
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Reps: 267,244,472,352,807 (power: 267,244,472,356) | | Originally Posted by LightHorseman Personally, I believe there ARE criminals who deserve to be executed. I don't trust our legal system to always correctly determine who they are though. I'd rather let a million guilty murderers go free than execute an innocent.
How do you reconcile that with Joshua 6:21? |
6th February 2010, 05:54 PM
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Reps: 539,204,124,155,753,536 (power: 539,204,124,155,795) | | Originally Posted by Keres How do you reconcile that with Joshua 6:21?
Why would someone need too? 
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6th February 2010, 11:08 PM
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Reps: 140,930,287,194,575,872 (power: 0) | | | Witnesses often cannot be believed. Prosecutors are often as bad or worse than those they prosecute. Do lawyers lie? The whole system is pitiful at best. How can any reasonable person agree with the death penalty? |
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6th February 2010, 11:32 PM
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Fun fact: While it can be demonstrated that a person's memory degrades drastically over time, it is also the case that a person's perception of the accuracy of their memory does not. So, while your ability to recall past events degrades exponentially, your meta memory suggests that you haven't lost anything.
So, people will confidentially tell the jury that the gentleman behind the table is in fact the guilty one, when their memory gives them no support for that claim.
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Reps: 178,751,386,065,373,056 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Keres How do you reconcile that with Joshua 6:21? Joshua 6:21-27 (King James Version)
21And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
Yeah... not really what I'd call great social policy or a good basis for a legal system. I stand by what I said, I'd rather let a million murderers go free than wrongfully execute a single innocent. |
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Reps: 574,621,729,132,179,200 (power: 574,621,729,132,188) | | Originally Posted by Keres How do you reconcile that with Joshua 6:21? Fortunately, we are no longer operating according to Old Covenant justice systems. The "eye for an eye" approach has been replaced by that which Jesus outlines in Matthew 5.
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7th February 2010, 04:22 PM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,067) | | Originally Posted by chaela Fortunately, we are no longer operating according to Old Covenant justice systems. The "eye for an eye" approach has been replaced by that which Jesus outlines in Matthew 5.
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The example listed wan't even an eye for an eye. It was more like 'both your eyes and your hand because you stepped on my toe'.
__________________ Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"
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Life starts before conception. Supporting a woman's right to choose to not fertilize an egg, giving her the ability to choose to let a life die, is pro-choice, not pro-life.
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