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Matthew 27:24 Pilate washing hands.

Matthew 27 shows the trial of our Lord Jesus and one thing I notice "Pilate" doing is washing his hands before giving his own verdict on Jesus to the people who gave Him up to the Judean Rulers and Romans.

Another passage I found similar in the OT/OC was in Psalms 26:6 concerning "washing hands in innnocense"

Was it a Roman tradition to wash their hands at trials like this? I have a lot more to say on this particular passage but would like to hear views concerning this event. Thanks

Matt 27:24 Being aware yet the Pilate, that nothing it is benefitting but rather a tumult, is becoming getting water he washes the hands in front of the throng saying "innocent I am from the blood of this One, ye shall be seeing to it.
25 And all the people answering said "His blood be upon us and upon our offspring!"
[Matt 23:34/Reve 18:24]

NKJV) Psalms 26:6 I will wash my hands in innocence; So I will go about Your altar, O LORD,
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I think it was a sign that he insisted he was not culpable for Christ's death, i.e. he "washes his hands of the guilt." In fact, there are a number of websites, like this one, that say this is the origin of the phrase, to "wash one's hands" of a matter. The idea is also seen in baptism in 1 Peter 3 when he speaks of baptism being not a washing of dirt, but a washing of guilt.

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Matt 27:24 Being aware yet the Pilate, that nothing it is benefitting but rather a tumult, is becoming getting water he washes the hands in front of the throng saying "innocent I am from the blood of this One, ye shall be seeing to it.
25 And all the people answering said "His blood be upon us and upon our offspring!"
[Matt 23:34/Reve 18:24]

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I think it was a sign that he insisted he was not culpable for Christ's death, i.e. he "washes his hands of the guilt."

In fact, there are a number of websites, like this one, that say this is the origin of the phrase, to "wash one's hands" of a matter. The idea is also seen in baptism in 1 Peter 3 when he speaks of baptism being not a washing of dirt, but a washing of guilt.

Would you then say that our Lord was holding the murderous Judeans that gave Him up for trial as "more culpable" of His death than He did with the Romans?

Anyone see the similarity of Luke 23:30 and Revelation 6:16? I view both of these as the coming destruction of those murderous, corrupt Judeans' City and Temple/Sanctuay.
Another words, I view this as fulfilled. Thoughts?

Luke 23:30 "Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the mountains 'be falling upon us' and to the hills/bounoiV <1015> 'cover us'".
[Hosea 10:8/Reve 6:16]

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks 'be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lambkin
17 that came the day, the great, of the wrath of Him, and who is able to stand'.
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]
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Would you then say that our Lord was holding the murderous Judeans that gave Him up for trial as "more culpable" of His death than He did with the Romans?
I feel a pogrom coming on ...
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Actually, I think you'll find he places most blame on "the one who betrayed me": Iscariot; but Pilate - who really is in a bind here - hardly escapes unscathed.
What's important is that we all contribute to the crucifixion. Pilate - raised to Roman standards of law and justice - won't risk using the authority Rome has vested in him. He can no more "wash his hands" of blame than a judge today could escape blame for letting a lynch mob take a defendant out of court by taking a shower.
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Would you then say that our Lord was holding the murderous Judeans that gave Him up for trial as "more culpable" of His death than He did with the Romans?
I think Jesus answers that Himself with "yes."

John 19:11 Jesus answered [Pilate], "you would have no power over Me unless it had been given you from above; therefore he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."
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I think Jesus answers that Himself with "yes."

John 19:11 Jesus answered [Pilate], "you would have no power over Me unless it had been given you from above; therefore he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."


They are also the ones I view in Revelation

John 18:31 Saying then to them, the Pilate "be taking Him ye-selves and according to the Law of ye judge ye Him".
Said then to him the Judeans, "to us not is permitted to be killing no-one"

Reve 12:10 And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser/kathgoroV <2725> of the brothers of us, the accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) them in sight of the God of us day and night. [John 5:45]
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Matthew 27 shows the trial of our Lord Jesus and one thing I notice "Pilate" doing is washing his hands before giving his own verdict on Jesus to the people who gave Him up to the Judean Rulers and Romans.

Another passage I found similar in the OT/OC was in Psalms 26:6 concerning "washing hands in innnocense"

Was it a Roman tradition to wash their hands at trials like this? I have a lot more to say on this particular passage but would like to hear views concerning this event. Thanks

Matt 27:24 Being aware yet the Pilate, that nothing it is benefitting but rather a tumult, is becoming getting water he washes the hands in front of the throng saying "innocent I am from the blood of this One, ye shall be seeing to it.
25 And all the people answering said "His blood be upon us and upon our offspring!"
[Matt 23:34/Reve 18:24]

NKJV) Psalms 26:6 I will wash my hands in innocence; So I will go about Your altar, O LORD,
I googled the topic and couldn't find anything about it being a ancient Roman custom .

Either way , Pilate and Rome was completely guilty of putting the Lord to death . He had the authority to pronounce innocence or guilt and sentencing . He found the Lord innocent and had Him sentenced as though guilty . Washing hands does not absolve him . His being afraid is no excuse . If the people of jerusalem did anything , the Roman army would make them an example to all .
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Matt 27:24 Being aware yet the Pilate, that nothing it is benefitting but rather a tumult, is becoming getting water he washes the hands in front of the throng saying "innocent I am from the blood of this One, ye shall be seeing to it.
25 And all the people answering said "His blood be upon us and upon our offspring!"
[Matt 23:34/Reve 18:24]

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I googled the topic and couldn't find anything about it being a ancient Roman custom .

Either way , Pilate and Rome was completely guilty of putting the Lord to death . He had the authority to pronounce innocence or guilt and sentencing . He found the Lord innocent and had Him sentenced as though guilty . Washing hands does not absolve him . His being afraid is no excuse . If the people of jerusalem did anything , the Roman army would make them an example to all .
My goodness bro....why aren't you saying anything concerning the Judeans having responsibility putting Him to death!

After all, He was THEIR Savior/Redeemer as much has He was to the Romans and rest of the Gentile world.

The Romans barely gave Jesus a second look until He was brought to them by the corrupt murderous Judean rulers. They were no better than the Romans!

Btw, does Matt 23:35 ring a bell

Matt 23:35 so that may be coming on ye all blood Righteous being out-poured upon the land, from the blood of Abel the righteous until the blood of Zachariah, son of Barachiah, whom ye murder between the Sanctuary and the altar".
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That thru the death He might take-away the one having the power of the death, that is the Devil


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