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Oh? then it shouldn't be very much of a problem to varify if there was an angel with Jesus after he lift his tomb.
Jesus Lifted his tomb?
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Spoiler for Some Good Rules for Christians:
Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine
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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."
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But I thought the Nephilim were fallen Angels that mated with humans?
So if so, that would mean that Angels do have the equipment for sex.
Or did God add the equipment when He cast them out?
Why would God have cast them out and given them the equipment before they sinned by having sex with human women?
No I can only think of three possibilities.
God created angels able to have sex and then commanded them to be completely celibate.
Angels are fully equipped and Jesus statement they do not marry simply means heaven is full of extramarital sex.
Or Jesus meant angels do not marry or have sex and that any interpretation of the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6 as angels taking human wives is a misunderstanding of the text. Interestingly this interpretation of the Nephilim as the offspring of angels and humans was current in the 1st century. Jesus statement seems to contradict it pretty directly here.
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When you come to the Ammonites, do not
harass them or provoke them. Deut 2:19
Why would God have cast them out and given them the equipment before they sinned by having sex with human women?
No I can only think of three possibilities.
God created angels able to have sex and then commanded them to be completely celibate.
Angels are fully equipped and Jesus statement they do not marry simply means heaven is full of extramarital sex.
Or Jesus meant angels do not marry or have sex and that any interpretation of the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6 as angels taking human wives is a misunderstanding of the text. Interestingly this interpretation of the Nephilim as the offspring of angels and humans was current in the 1st century. Jesus statement seems to contradict it pretty directly here.
+1
Wonder how many will ignore the important parts.
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Slug's 1st Law of YECism- Genesis 1-9 must be interpreted literally. Slug's 2nd Law of YECism- Any other verses can be interpreted liberally to support the 1st Law. Slug's 3rd Law of YECism- Make up any extra-Biblical claim, no matter how wild, to wave-away evidence in violation of the 1st Law.
Divinity= selflessness rather than selfishness. What is more selfish than sending somebody to hell because they don't love you?
It shows that creationism and evolution are incompatible.
Creationism and evolution are obviously incompatible to anyone who knows what those two terms mean. Creationism is basically an attempt to prove evolution and any other scientific theory about the origins of anything/everything wrong, in favor of a literalistic interperetation of religious scripture (in the US, usually Christian scripture).
There was a period of time when I was a teenager that I was both a young-Earth creationist, and also beleived in an old Earth and that evolution did happen (full-on macro-evolution with common ancestry, &c.). But I think I was just suffering from a bout of insanity.
... in favor of a literalistic interperetation of religious scripture (in the US, usually Christian scripture).
That's the only way to go!
Originally Posted by Spacewyrm
There was a period of time when I was a teenager that I was both a young-Earth creationist, and also beleived in an old Earth and that evolution did happen (full-on macro-evolution with common ancestry, &c.).
Um ... how can you be YEC, OEC, and TE at the same time?
My embedded age explanation takes the best of both YEC and OEC and creates an eclectic cosmology that reconciles the age of the earth with Ussher's dating; but I can't see how one could fit TE in there as well.
Originally Posted by Spacewyrm
But I think I was just suffering from a bout of insanity.
That's real cute.
Even psychiatrists won't diagnose people who "talk about dying", see Christian symbols on the Rorschach Test, and "talk to the devil" as 'insane'; but I'm sure you were exaggerating for the sake of insult.
Well, I don't understand all the ins and out of evolution, and I still say they are incompatible.
I take it you're saying those in the know are in agreement with me?
That's correct. One of the defining characteristics of creationism is an opposition to evolution, abiogenesis, the big bang, and other natural explainations for the history of the universe, the earth, and life. And you don't have to know all the ins and outs of evolution to see that. (I barely know anything about evolution beyond the very basics).
Nope --- qv please: 1.
Is there anything relevant in that thread that you would like to point out here?
That's the only way to go!
Um ... how can you be YEC, OEC, and TE at the same time?
That kind of my point. Those positions are irreconsilable. But I beleved them just the same. I think it's called compartmentalisation or something like that. In any event, the beliefs a person holds need not be logically consistant.
My embedded age explanation takes the best of both YEC and OEC and creates an eclectic cosmology that reconciles the age of the earth with Ussher's dating; but I can't see how one could fit TE in there as well.
Unforunately embedded age reconciles nothing, since it relies on a logical contradiction. Either the Earth is 4.5 billion years old or it is 6 thousand years old. It is impossible for both to be true for any meaningful definition of age. I understand that you believe that God can make logically impossible things, like square circles, but as far as I'm concerned that's just an argument for atheism.
That's real cute.
Even psychiatrists won't diagnose people who "talk about dying", see Christian symbols on the Rorschach Test, and "talk to the devil" as 'insane'; but I'm sure you were exaggerating for the sake of insult.
I'm sorry, I meant no insult. I was referring strictly to myself. Insane probably is too strong a word, but I certainly wasn't thinking clearly to believe in both special creation/young-earth as well as evolution/big bang/old-earth. It seems just a bit crazy to me, but I was going through a bit of a theological crisis at the time, which is the "insanity" to which I referred. I think I had already come to the conclusion that God doesn't exist but couldn't let go of the religious beliefs that I had been raised with.
My embedded age explanation takes the best of both YEC and OEC and creates an eclectic cosmology that reconciles the age of the earth with Ussher's dating; but I can't see how one could fit TE in there as well.That's real cute.
As you realise I reject your embedded age idea because it is, well, self contradictory nonsense. However if you are going to go down that route, I don't see how embedded evolution is any more of a problem than embedded age. If God can embed 4.5 billion years of time on earth in 6,000 years, he can embed 3.5 billion years of evolution in there with it too. The only question left is why bother with the 6,000 years when the bible never says how old the earth is.
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When you come to the Ammonites, do not
harass them or provoke them. Deut 2:19
Creationism and evolution are obviously incompatible to anyone who knows what those two terms mean. Creationism is basically an attempt to prove evolution and any other scientific theory about the origins of anything/everything wrong, in favor of a literalistic interperetation of religious scripture (in the US, usually Christian scripture).
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