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5th July 2012, 01:11 PM
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Reps: 293,968,165,754,697,664 (power: 293,968,165,754,701) | | | Very much like JOB. But, Job didn't get clued in what was happening. I don't understand everything he says to me. He asked me "Do you understand my light"? I thought about it and the only answer I could give him was "Partly". I know scripture, but I could not say I understood his light fully. The only thing I knew was to quote John 1 to him, but even that I felt was an insufficient answer.
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,824) | | Originally Posted by Temptinfates  Very much like JOB. But, Job didn't get clued in what was happening. I don't understand everything he says to me. He asked me "Do you understand my light"? I thought about it and the only answer I could give him was "Partly". I know scripture, but I could not say I understood his light fully. The only thing I knew was to quote John 1 to him, but even that I felt was an insufficient answer.
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or as Paul says.. we see in the mirror and it isn't in full light. I know what you mean.. I too have known Him to give me inside feed into the workings that He is having with others and asking for me to partner with Him to help others along the way.
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6th July 2012, 08:41 PM
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Reps: 104,723,305,014,733,216 (power: 104,723,305,014,736) | | Originally Posted by Temptinfates How about showing the truth? They come to my door to peddle religion and truth when they only have considered part of it. I don't obliterate their faith. I explain it in a way they can get past the hoops and see. Then they see the truth. Then they decide what they do with it. I haven't had one yet that hasn't thanked me. Faith in Yeshua or faith in Adonai? It is the same. Yeshua's sacrifice was to restore people to Adonai. Rejecting what Adonai has alresdy written is not right. The Father and son agree. If you can show this to people in a way that makes sense to them, their faith grows. I put it to them. They decide what they do with it. Again, these people come to me and I direct them to the Father. If their faith is paper thin, there is a reason. They know I;m for real. They see that in me. I have no agenda and make no profits. I direct people that I most likely will never see again to the Father. Then they understand, and can walk their faith instead of just talk it.
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This impresses me as a truly good approach Temptinfates!
It is difficult to fit the Jewish Bible with the Christian Bible in many ways but so many of what seem to be contradictions are part of progressive revelation!
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6th July 2012, 08:51 PM
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The Prophetic Scroll.org
Its an important issue.
Shalom
Joel Joseph
Hey, what you write regarding the Jerusalem Third Temple is awesome!!!!! Edition 5 The soon coming Temple:
Before we go on let me dismiss a myth being taught in many churches now. This dangerous deception is actually part of the whole "replacement theology" doctrine, which in a nutshell presumes that the church had replaced Israel and as such there is no place for Israel and the Jews besides them becoming part of the church.
No sir! God has a wonderful plan for both Jew and gentile that has distinctly different characteristics.
Many churches teach that God has no need of another temple, because we the church are that temple. They go on to teach that there is no need for the re-introduction of temple sacrifices, because our Messiah was the sacrificial lamb.
Yes true we are living temples and He was our once for all sacrifice, but we need to understand the prophetic scriptures. The Bible declares that God will bring the Jews back to the land of Israel first in their blindness and then this veil of blindness will be lifted and they will see that their Messiah has indeed paid the full price for redemption.
Besides this the re-introduction of sacrifices in the Temple may be a backward looking Holy convocation similar to our communion. We break the body and drink the blood of our Messiah in communion, but we do this as a convocation looking back to the full and complete work of our Messiah. No we don't believe that the actual breaking of bread and drinking of wine saves us. It was His sacrifice that saves us. In a similar way this could be what will be meant by the re-introduction of sacrifices in the coming temple.
Today there 12 groups working in preparation for the rebuilding. Even genetic line testing has been done to verify those that would become the priests. God anointed Aaron and his sons to be the priests. Aarons family name was HaCohen. Today the Cohen lineage has been traced back to Aaron!
They have already re-instituted the Sanhedrin, just recently. The job of the Sanhedrin will be to decide on the exact location of the new temple and to oversee the entire process.
Preparations for the coming temple to be built on the Temple Mount are well under way. In fact every item to be used has already been made and is simply waiting for the day. Here are some pictures from the Temple Institute of some of these items. On the left is David's harp, then is the pure gold Menorah (60kgs of pure gold) and inset is the pure gold crown (tzitz) just completed, to be worn by the High Priest in the temple. All the other temple items, implements, Holy vessels, garments etc have been made perfectly according to Jewish law. They can be seen on the Temple Institute's web site.
I am curious what you think of the comments in this topic so far? http://www.christianforums.com/t7647317/
Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple? |
1st August 2012, 08:00 AM
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Reps: 69,469,445,185,848,848 (power: 0) | | | HI - I apologize in advance if I'm out of line - just tell me and I will slip quietly away .
Im a born again Christian ( i use that term to distinguish and distance myself from many peoples perceptions of the term "christian"- mind you i'm aware it holds its own umm.. stigma of nuttyness haha) and i'm no Bible scholar as such but I have a healthy familiarity .
I just wished to say a few things from my perspective and allow myself to be open to learn .
Anyway - on the topic of building the temple - Sure - we do say that God has no need of the temple as built by the hands of men ( we ,being all who believe in Yshua, being the spiritual temple ) But I fully support its building .
What God has foretold - let it come to pass amen ?
I have no problem with the timing of it - it can happen at no other time then that which God has allowed .that time is Now.. ( now in the sense of this age in which we live )
I believe there will indeed be a much more serious war very very very soon that will usher in a dividing of the land of Israel (against Gods will ) and that part of that -so called peace-agreement will be the return of the temple site to israel. the mosque will be quickly demolished (if that does not happen as a result of that same war ) and the temple will be reestablished on the site and you wont have any thing to worry about in regards to the vicinity of that mosque)
On the point of the church replacing Israel .. sounds like roman catholic hogwash from my perspective . Yshua( i should learn the correct spelling ,it is Jesus in my language) is the vine and Israel the branches and we (the gentiles who have believed on the name of the only unique son of God .. the word of God become flesh ,are grafted in "by grace".-there is no replacing .
on the topic of Martin Luther - not a hero , A man who made wonderful and large steps
away from a myriad of money and control motivated lies .. but did not arrive at cinema to see the whole picture - but hey before he came along people thought if they purchased a piece of paper ,blessed by that harlot Rome, that it would save their dead.So he wasn't all good or all bad, just on an unended journey out of being misinformed .. IMO.
ok thats my little take on those parts in life .
sorry if I sound anti rcc ..its probably because I am ...the hierarchy..not the everyday folk. |
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Reps: 8,137,938,122,121,036,800 (power: 8,137,938,122,121,049) | | Originally Posted by Michaelismyname HI - I apologize in advance if I'm out of line - just tell me and I will slip quietly away .
Im a born again Christian ( i use that term to distinguish and distance myself from many peoples perceptions of the term "christian"- mind you i'm aware it holds its own umm.. stigma of nuttyness haha) and i'm no Bible scholar as such but I have a healthy familiarity .
I just wished to say a few things from my perspective and allow myself to be open to learn .
Anyway - on the topic of building the temple - Sure - we do say that God has no need of the temple as built by the hands of men ( we ,being all who believe in Yshua, being the spiritual temple ) But I fully support its building .
What God has foretold - let it come to pass amen ?
I have no problem with the timing of it - it can happen at no other time then that which God has allowed .that time is Now.. ( now in the sense of this age in which we live )
I believe there will indeed be a much more serious war very very very soon that will usher in a dividing of the land of Israel (against Gods will ) and that part of that -so called peace-agreement will be the return of the temple site to israel. the mosque will be quickly demolished (if that does not happen as a result of that same war ) and the temple will be reestablished on the site and you wont have any thing to worry about in regards to the vicinity of that mosque)
On the point of the church replacing Israel .. sounds like roman catholic hogwash from my perspective . Yshua( i should learn the correct spelling ,it is Jesus in my language) is the vine and Israel the branches and we (the gentiles who have believed on the name of the only unique son of God .. the word of God become flesh ,are grafted in "by grace".-there is no replacing .
on the topic of Martin Luther - not a hero , A man who made wonderful and large steps
away from a myriad of money and control motivated lies .. but did not arrive at cinema to see the whole picture - but hey before he came along people thought if they purchased a piece of paper ,blessed by that harlot Rome, that it would save their dead.So he wasn't all good or all bad, just on an unended journey out of being misinformed .. IMO.
ok thats my little take on those parts in life .
sorry if I sound anti rcc ..its probably because I am ...the hierarchy..not the everyday folk.
Yep, like Vissy said, sounds like a familiar journey. About the only difference for me is that I choose no physical fellowship (if no Messianic synagogue is available) over "settling" with a mainstream, traditional sunday church fellowship. There are several internet live interactive feeds now or the local chabad, so that "settling" doesn't have to be an "only" option. 
And, yes, some of the finest, sincerest Christians I know are RCC - it's the hierarchy, the big machine that I'm so against.
So, welcome to the journey on the prodigal's road home! It's an awesome journey you've chosen, rejoice and enjoy. |
2nd August 2012, 04:44 AM
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These views I have are not new - As a christian i have held them all my life .
it has always totally bemused me that any one under the umbrella "christian " would ever hold any other view . one would have to completely ignore both the old and new testament to do so .
It no longer bemuses me because i grew up and realized there are those that say they are "christian " (believers in the word of God made flesh) and then there are those that really are .
one group mouths the words and lives in blatant idolatrous disobedience - the other group is far from perfect but desires and tries in word and deed - to obey .
but still you are also correct -we are all on a journey and none of us have it all sussed - but its fun learning *smiles*
On the point of fellowship - i presently have little -but enjoy it when I do . but I find it difficult in NZ - the people are wonderful (in congregations). When they find I don't "belong" (have membership) to any particular denomination (though I always lean toward Pentecostal circles) I sense that moment of awkwardness ,a passing tension . you can feel they wish to advise me otherwise .I hold to the view that there is but one book where it is important to have my name written .
I also struggle ( not in myself Im quite at peace on the topics ) of tithing .Or that is to say -western church teachings on it .there are far to many contradictions allowed for .
And to sound a little self righteous and perhaps crass - i desire to barf up on the carpet when they mention donating towards same said carpet. I have good and valid reasons and testimony that I feel validate that desire lol.
There are so many traditions in western Pentecostalism that we don't allow ourselves to see - but these days i see them all too clearly.
Oh well - I love them all .
Its odd how strange it seems to some that we can be so uncluttered and simple about everything to do with God if we wish to . Some thought it strange once when they decided to come to my house for a payer meeting - my wife and I had not had good fellowship for a while so when they arrived I got wine and bread and broke it , shared it and gave thanks to the lord For all he had done .. we had communion . some seemed to find it strange - i do not know why - i did not think one needed badge or title to do so.
Siigh how is it that men bind the bride with cords of rules they make themselves and then burden her with condemnation when she breaks them - she was not born for men but for God .
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-edit : sorrow i raved off topic
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