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4th December 2003, 12:23 AM
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Reps: 39 (power: 0) | | | Dr Dino's list of questions Hey everyone, I was looking around the infamous "Dr. Dino" (AKA Kent Hovind)'s website, and I noticed that he has posted this list of "questions for evolutionists." It got me to wondering if we have ever actually sat down and answered each one of these questions in detail like he asks. If this has actually been done on this forum before, just indicate as such and I will delete this post. Otherwise, why we email the most scientific answers we can come up with back to Hovind? - Where did the space for the universe come from?
- Where did matter come from?
- Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
- How did matter get so perfectly organized?
- Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
- When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?
- When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
- With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
- Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kindsince this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
- How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
- Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
- Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?
When, where, why, and how did:
Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?) - Single-celled animals evolve?
- Fish change to amphibians?
- Amphibians change to reptiles?
- Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes,reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
How did the intermediate forms live?
14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
Whales evolve?
Sea horses evolve?
bats evolve?
Eyes evolve?
Ears evolve?
Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?
<LI>15. Which evolved first how, and how long, did it work without the others?
-The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
-The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
-The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
-DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
-The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? -The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
-The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
-The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
-The immune system or the need for it?
16. There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?
17. How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?
18. When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.
19. *How did photosynthesis evolve?
20. *How did thought evolve?
21. How did flowering plants evolve, and from what?
22. What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?
23. What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?
24. Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
25. What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?
26. Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing? | 
4th December 2003, 12:25 AM
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4th December 2003, 12:30 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Otherwise, why we email the most scientific answers we can come up with back to Hovind?
It won't make any difference to him. These aren't geniune scientific questions and he doesn't want geniune scientific answers; he wants converts to biblical literalist fundamentalist Christianity and he doesn't seem to care much about how he gets them.
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4th December 2003, 12:33 AM
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4th December 2003, 12:40 AM
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4th December 2003, 01:30 AM
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1) When was the last time you recall learning anything about reality?
Thought of another:
2) Was your family intellectually poor? Because you sure are adept at question begging.
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4th December 2003, 01:52 AM
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...not to mention the fact that I really don't know. | 
4th December 2003, 02:18 AM
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Reps: 692 (power: 0) | | The problem with these questions is that they can be turned around just as easily against creationism. Below i have either reversed the target of the question from Evolution to Creationism and if the question was easy enough to answer rather than flip, i did just that
1. Where did God come from?
2. Where did all the matter God used come from? (He had to make everything out of something...)
3. Why wouldnt we have rational laws of nature? Surely everything needs to work within some certain pirameters...
4. Why couldnt natural laws define why matter is so organized?
5. (A variation of Where did God come from)
6. How could God simply put life into man? Where does the life come from?
7. If we were flawed, why would God make more people?
8. If incest is a sin, why did God leave only Noah and his family?
9. I cant make a corellation to this b/c its simply a stupid question with an obvious answer that is actually along very christian-type thought lines. HOPE FOR SURVIVAL and that they might overcome any obsticles.
10. Again, stupid question w/ an easy answer. In mutations, genes can be removed too, and if u remove enough lines from any letter, you end up with a bunch of lines. Now, take your lines and put them togehter like chinese characters. Ta-dah!
11. A simple "Why wouldnt it be possible?" turns that one around easilly enough
12. He answers himself... mutation=progress (often, i know not all changes are good) so natural selevtion would favor the mutation and through reproduction, nurture it
13. This isnt one ?, its many, Its a summation of "Where did life come from?" so either side can ask that, bad question in an argument in which you merely try and ask questions that cant be changed to challenge your ideas... moving on
14. (Same as 13... sure isnt too smart for someone who calls themself Doctor...)
15. Refer to ? #6, this begs the question Where would god get this life from? Which came first, the body or the spirit?
16. Pure Bull... what do you think there are churches for "Doctor"? And there are thousands of arguments that go both ways. Hence the reason im having to type all this stuff at such an early hour.
17. If somethine works why wouldnt you mimik it? Jesus got to heaven by penence, prayer and good living. Dont all christians strive to immitate (not in a sacreligious way) Jesus?
18. Would we be humans without feelings? And why should god care enough to give them to us, what do we give him that he needs? Who says they evolved though too. Maybe they are in direct corellation with our spirits....ooooo, deep =P
19. Again, a simple answer so i have no need to turn the question around- mutations
20. See #18
21. This is the basic question of "Where did life come from?" some say God made em like that, others say evolution. we could debate this forever, wasted question. next!
22. wow, thats weak.... why are you the kind of christian you are?
23. Dumb, b/c the whole idea is i would doubt you because i have no proof. Hence agnosticism
24. Waste of time. PROVE beyond all doubt that some miricle of christianity is true, other than that he died, and without all the "The bible says so" BS. Bible was written by men who lived AFTER CHRISTS TIME, show me some historic proof. Read a 2nd book for once in your life...
25. Confused... please explain question...
26. Im laughing so hard i could wet my pants. Everything from nothing is the same as creationism. You just give your nothing a different name. Its a repeat of question one.
So, after we remove all the repeat and frivilous questions on both sides were left with about 6 or 7 fewer questions and still a dilema. Thats what i call progress | 
4th December 2003, 10:22 AM
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Besides I don't know why an evolutionist should be spending his time answering questions like where did life come, why does the universe have its laws, and where did the universe come from.
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by danaman5 Hey everyone, I was looking around the infamous "Dr. Dino" (AKA Kent Hovind)'s website, and I noticed that he has posted this list of "questions for evolutionists." It got me to wondering if we have ever actually sat down and answered each one of these questions in detail like he asks. If this has actually been done on this forum before, just indicate as such and I will delete this post.
Yes, altho I don't remember the exact threads we have done this. I think I saved my answers in a file. Otherwise, why we email the most scientific answers we can come up with back to Hovind?
Because it doesn't matter. He has set up his questions so that he is asking to prove atheism. Since atheism can't be proved, it's a futile exercise.
24. Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
[/quote]FYI, so you can put it in your fact file, this is a definite yes.
Evaluation of the rate of evolution in natural populations of guppies (Poecilia reticulata). Reznick, DN, Shaw, FH, Rodd, FH, and Shaw, RG. 275:1934-1937, 1997. The lay article is Predatory-free guppies take an evolutionary leap forward, pg 1880.
This is an excellent study of natural selection at work. Guppies are preyed upon by species that specialize in eating either the small, young guppies, or older, mature guppies. Eleven years ago the research team moved guppies from pools below some waterfalls that contained both types of predators to pools above the falls where only the predators that ate the small, young guppies live. Thus the selection pressure was changed. Eleven years later the guppies above the falls were larger, matured earlier, and had fewer young than the ones below the falls. The group then used standard quantitative morphology to quantify the rate of evolution.
So we have a study in the wild, not the lab, of natural selection and its results. The rate of evolution was *very* fast. Evolution is measured in the unit "darwin", which is the proportional amount of change per unit time. The fish evolved at 3700 to 45,000 darwins, depending on the trait measured. In contrast, rates in the fossil record are typically 0.1 to 1.0 darwin. However, the paper cites a study of artificial selection in mice of 200,000 darwins. In this study natural selection was measured quantitatvely, and even predicted since it was predicted that, in the absence of predators that fed on large guppies but in the presence of ones that fed on young guppies, the guppies would grow larger and mature earlier to avoid the predators. That is exactly what happened.
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