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Unread 25th November 2009, 09:16 AM
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Equipping the Saints....what does that mean?

Many churches today are recognizing that the 5-fold ministry (apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, and evangelist) is given as gifts to the Church in order to equip the saints. But what exactly does that mean, in practical terms?

What might take place in an 'equipping church'?
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What might take place in an 'equipping church'?

Sound Bible teaching and preaching. Leaders/elders who meet and follow the biblical models set forth. A balance of freedom and discipline for everyone. Openness, friendliness and caring encouraged.

As believers mature they find a place of service and learn to work with other spirit-led people who they may work for or be placed over.

Encouragement from a heart-felt belief that being a Christian is who we are 24/7, and most of the work of the church people should take place out of the church walls.

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Most churches I've been in have a "hero" mentality. The pastor is so good at being a Christian, and is so well equipped at operating in the gifts of the Spirit, that we all sit back and watch him do his thing. Guest speakers will come in and do the same. Prophets come through and show off their gifts too. Everybody in the audience is blessed a little bit, but nobody is equipped.

What I have a vision for, and would love to see someone do, is to call forth members of the audience and have them participate. Instead of just calling people out and giving them a word or letting them know that God wants to heal them right now; why not take it one step further and call out a prophet or healer to do the job? If God has does have a word for someone, then often times different prophets will receive the same thing. Same thing with healing.

I think it would be incredibly helpful to know people in your church who God has shown to work through in these certain ways, and let them be the ones who see the power of God move through them under the corporate anointing; rather than having one person steal the show every time.
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Originally Posted by MadameGuyon View Post
Many churches today are recognizing that the 5-fold ministry (apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, and evangelist) is given as gifts to the Church in order to equip the saints. But what exactly does that mean, in practical terms?

What might take place in an 'equipping church'?
According to Vine’s Dictionary of New Testament Words, the word for “equip” (KJV perfecting) is “katartismos.” It is from the root “katartizo” and means ...
“to render fit, complete" (artios), "is used of mending nets, Matt_4:21; Mark_1:19, and is translated 'restore' in Gal_6:1. It does not necessarily imply, however, that that to which it is applied has been damaged, though it may do so, as in these passages; it signifies, rather, right ordering and arrangement, Heb_11:3, 'framed;" it points out the path of progress, as in Matt_21:16; Luke_6:40; cp. 2_Cor_13:9; Eph_4:12, where corresponding nouns occur. It indicates the close relationship between character and destiny, Rom_9:22, 'fitted.' It expresses the pastor's desire for the flock, in prayer, Heb_13:21, and in exhortation, 1_Cor_1:10, RV, 'perfected' (AV, 'perfectly joined'); 2_Cor_13:11, as well as his conviction of God's purpose for them, 1_Pet_5:10. It is used of the Incarnation of the Word in Heb_10:5, 'prepare,' quoted from Psalm_40:6 (Sept.), where it is apparently intended to describe the unique creative act involved in the Virgin Birth, Luke_1:35. In 1_Thess_3:10 it means to supply what is necessary, as the succeeding words show. Denotes, in much the same way as katartisis, ‘a fitting or preparing fully,’ Eph_4:12. " (copied and pasted)
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Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
Most churches I've been in have a "hero" mentality. The pastor is so good at being a Christian, and is so well equipped at operating in the gifts of the Spirit, that we all sit back and watch him do his thing. Guest speakers will come in and do the same. Prophets come through and show off their gifts too. Everybody in the audience is blessed a little bit, but nobody is equipped.

What I have a vision for, and would love to see someone do, is to call forth members of the audience and have them participate. Instead of just calling people out and giving them a word or letting them know that God wants to heal them right now; why not take it one step further and call out a prophet or healer to do the job? If God has does have a word for someone, then often times different prophets will receive the same thing. Same thing with healing.

I think it would be incredibly helpful to know people in your church who God has shown to work through in these certain ways, and let them be the ones who see the power of God move through them under the corporate anointing; rather than having one person steal the show every time.
It is not as simple as that. My passion for equipping the saints to do the work of Jesus has led to me writing a book on the subject (available from our church website, pm me if you want details).

I was preaching in a church a few months ago and the pastor introduced me with "This is an anointed man of God, he laid hands on someone in his church last week who was instantly healed of terminal cancer".

I had to point out to the church, and I am not one for correcting a pastor in his own pulpit, that I never had a chance to lay hands on the man. The church laid hands on him and saw him healed before I even knew he had cancer. That is my vision and passion for church - in essence to train people how to minister healing and how to move in the prophetic so that I am essentially redundant as a worker and operate as a trainer.

However that takes long term commitment. Let me explain: I was "guest preacher" in an AoG church a number of years ago, and it was a healing service. A lady came forward with chronic arthritis and I knew in my spirit she had the faith to receive healing.

I said to the church - about 40-50 people if I recall rightly, though it might have been as few as 30 or as many as 70+ - "who believes Jesus is the Healer?"

A healthy chorus of amens.

I asked "Who believes Jesus is going to heal this woman right now?"

Another round of amens.

I asked "Who will get up and lay hands on this lady?"

No one moved. No one spoke. No one dared look at me.

In the end I had to lay hands on her. As soon as I did she went out under the power of the Spirit (which I remember clearly as that is not a normal occurence when I lay hands on people) and got up completely healed.

I asked the Lord for an answer why everyone believed He was the Healer and why no one came forward to minister healing.

He explained to me that everyone believed HE could heal, but they didn't believe HE could HEAL through THEM! Due to a sense of guilt or shame or whatever, they just didn't believe they were good enough to step forward into healing.

Then the Lord said "And if they really knew you, they would realize you weren't good enough either!"

The problem was I was the preacher from heaven, flown down into their pulpit and then flew back to heaven afterwards as far as they were concerned. This is why I am so in favour of local churches being key in everything a Christian does because that is where you find out that we all have feet of clay, but that God's love transcends our weaknesses and reaches into our hearts and enables us to minister life to people in our fraility and humanity. Awesome!

But to train people like that requires more than a superstar person it requires the sharing of lives. I learned how to minister healing power through being part of a local church, and now as a pastor, I train people how to minister in the same power. I am using healing as an example, it could easily be any of the other works of ministry.

We are modelled as a cell church and we are working out how to do what you want to see. It is not easy, but it is worth it.

Blessings,
Ben
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Originally Posted by JimB View Post
According to Vine’s Dictionary of New Testament Words, the word for “equip” (KJV perfecting) is “katartismos.” It is from the root “katartizo” and means ...
“to render fit, complete" (artios), "is used of mending nets, Matt_4:21; Mark_1:19, and is translated 'restore' in Gal_6:1. It does not necessarily imply, however, that that to which it is applied has been damaged, though it may do so, as in these passages; it signifies, rather, right ordering and arrangement, Heb_11:3, 'framed;" it points out the path of progress, as in Matt_21:16; Luke_6:40; cp. 2_Cor_13:9; Eph_4:12, where corresponding nouns occur. It indicates the close relationship between character and destiny, Rom_9:22, 'fitted.' It expresses the pastor's desire for the flock, in prayer, Heb_13:21, and in exhortation, 1_Cor_1:10, RV, 'perfected' (AV, 'perfectly joined'); 2_Cor_13:11, as well as his conviction of God's purpose for them, 1_Pet_5:10. It is used of the Incarnation of the Word in Heb_10:5, 'prepare,' quoted from Psalm_40:6 (Sept.), where it is apparently intended to describe the unique creative act involved in the Virgin Birth, Luke_1:35. In 1_Thess_3:10 it means to supply what is necessary, as the succeeding words show. Denotes, in much the same way as katartisis, ‘a fitting or preparing fully,’ Eph_4:12. " (copied and pasted)
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Thanks for that Jim, really insightful.
Love the idea that equipping is mending a net rather than making one. There is a lot in that I want to cogitate on.

Cheers,
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Originally Posted by KingZzub View Post
It is not as simple as that. My passion for equipping the saints to do the work of Jesus has led to me writing a book on the subject (available from our church website, pm me if you want details).

I was preaching in a church a few months ago and the pastor introduced me with "This is an anointed man of God, he laid hands on someone in his church last week who was instantly healed of terminal cancer".

I had to point out to the church, and I am not one for correcting a pastor in his own pulpit, that I never had a chance to lay hands on the man. The church laid hands on him and saw him healed before I even knew he had cancer. That is my vision and passion for church - in essence to train people how to minister healing and how to move in the prophetic so that I am essentially redundant as a worker and operate as a trainer.

However that takes long term commitment. Let me explain: I was "guest preacher" in an AoG church a number of years ago, and it was a healing service. A lady came forward with chronic arthritis and I knew in my spirit she had the faith to receive healing.

I said to the church - about 40-50 people if I recall rightly, though it might have been as few as 30 or as many as 70+ - "who believes Jesus is the Healer?"

A healthy chorus of amens.

I asked "Who believes Jesus is going to heal this woman right now?"

Another round of amens.

I asked "Who will get up and lay hands on this lady?"

No one moved. No one spoke. No one dared look at me.

In the end I had to lay hands on her. As soon as I did she went out under the power of the Spirit (which I remember clearly as that is not a normal occurence when I lay hands on people) and got up completely healed.

I asked the Lord for an answer why everyone believed He was the Healer and why no one came forward to minister healing.

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Then the Lord said "And if they really knew you, they would realize you weren't good enough either!"

The problem was I was the preacher from heaven, flown down into their pulpit and then flew back to heaven afterwards as far as they were concerned. This is why I am so in favour of local churches being key in everything a Christian does because that is where you find out that we all have feet of clay, but that God's love transcends our weaknesses and reaches into our hearts and enables us to minister life to people in our fraility and humanity. Awesome!

But to train people like that requires more than a superstar person it requires the sharing of lives. I learned how to minister healing power through being part of a local church, and now as a pastor, I train people how to minister in the same power. I am using healing as an example, it could easily be any of the other works of ministry.

We are modelled as a cell church and we are working out how to do what you want to see. It is not easy, but it is worth it.

Blessings,
Ben

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Like I say, it's most of the churches I've been too that have the hero mentality. All it takes is a pastor with integrity to break the people out of this, and show them that they are really no different than he/she is.
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Originally Posted by MadameGuyon View Post
Many churches today are recognizing that the 5-fold ministry (apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, and evangelist) is given as gifts to the Church in order to equip the saints. But what exactly does that mean, in practical terms?

What might take place in an 'equipping church'?
An equipping church is what we should see out of every Christian church, unfortunately we don't, most function around their doctrines.

Everyone should be able to be properly taught on their giftings to realize their destiny in Christ for the body. A prophet for instance, should receive proper teaching on the do's and don'ts associated with that position, and should also receive careful encouragement and critique.

The Holy Spirit ultimately knows how to train each individual, but the body of Christ operates together, and should be able to provide some practical training and insight also.
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Like I say, it's most of the churches I've been too that have the hero mentality. All it takes is a pastor with integrity to break the people out of this, and show them that they are really no different than he/she is.
It is not easy - and there is a great danger in going the other way and being "just one of the boys" which you cannot be. You are a spiritual leader which means you need to be a little in front of the others, but not so that they are applauding you, rather that they are following you.

I haven't got it right all the time, but I know what I want and I am making conscience steps to reach that place.
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Originally Posted by ARBITER01 View Post
An equipping church is what we should see out of every Christian church, unfortunately we don't, most function around their doctrines.

Everyone should be able to be properly taught on their giftings to realize their destiny in Christ for the body. A prophet for instance, should receive proper teaching on the do's and don'ts associated with that position, and should also receive careful encouragement and critique.

The Holy Spirit ultimately knows how to train each individual, but the body of Christ operates together, and should be able to provide some practical training and insight also.
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