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Old 19th November 2009, 09:43 AM
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Russia Enshrines Ban On Death Penalty

And this is exactly what happens when you end up forfeiting the sovereignty of your country in order to make it along nicely with the internationalist Europeans, who no longer having clout alone kowtow those around them to fulfill their agenda:

Russia's ban on the death penalty will remain when a current legal suspension expires on 1 January, the country's Constitutional Court has ruled.

It said the use of the death penalty was now impossible because Russia had signed international deals banning it.

Russian announced the moratorium in 1996 when it joined the Council of Europe, although it retains capital punishment in its criminal code.

Opinion polls suggest that a majority of Russians back the death penalty.

One recent survey showed that two-thirds of Russians backed the measure.
It said that one in four was against it, mainly because of the possibility that judges would make mistakes.
BBC

We have a measure that is largely backed by the Russian people yet will not be fulfilled because of diplomatic reasons.

Russia is a nation that fights very real crime problems, and with that they fight very real issues with the justice system.

Now the Kingpins who direct direct their crime rings from their cells are safe, and those who are multiple murderers can continue eeking out their existence in jails to murder any young, petty criminal who wants to leave the gang or who crosses them; and the serial rapists and murderers who wreck their victim's lives and the lives of their families without mercy will be able to live out there days playing chess and smoking cigarettes while the family members are haunted by the memory of these crimes.

It is no justice when a nation suffering extreme crime cannot even implement their justice system properly due to the predatory diplomacy of their neighbors.
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The Russian Orthodox Church welcomed the ruling. "Our society is strong enough to outlaw the death penalty while continuing to strongly combat crime," Father Vsevolod Chaplin said.
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The Russian Orthodox Church welcomed the ruling. "Our society is strong enough to outlaw the death penalty while continuing to strongly combat crime," Father Vsevolod Chaplin said.
Should not a country be ruled democratically?
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Verv, you seem to be upset about Russia moving closer in its policies to (most of, at least) the West.

That is not a bad thing.
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Verv, you seem to be upset about Russia moving closer in its policies to (most of, at least) the West.

That is not a bad thing.
The West is dying -- the future is in the East.
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The West is dying -- the future is in the East.
Ah, so you would rather Russia emulated China's human rights record?
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Should not a country be ruled democratically?
Democracy and human rights go hand in hand. And the most fundamental human right, the right to life, God-giveth that no sinful fallen man only God has the right to taketh away, supersedes all man-made political systems.
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The Russian Orthodox Church welcomed the ruling. "Our society is strong enough to outlaw the death penalty while continuing to strongly combat crime," Father Vsevolod Chaplin said.
Thanks for posting this

Orthodox countries tend to use the death penalty most sparingly; one who is dead cannot repent.
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Thanks for posting this

Orthodox countries tend to use the death penalty most sparingly; one who is dead cannot repent.


You are most welcome. My country is officially Orthodox as well as Lutheran, we do not have death penalty over here and barely no support for introducing death penalty to our legal system.

And I fully agree that we do not know and cannot know God's plan for even the worst of sinners among us, therefore the judgment does not belong to us. One sinner is no more fit to judge a fellow sinner in matters of life and death than one murderer is fit to judge a fellow murderer. If one trusts in God's final judgment and that it will be the most just and righteous judgment ever, then one does not feel the need to seek petty temporal revenge in this life the need for which rises from our own sinful nature. Our Good Lord Jesus Christ showed us a better way, the way of forgiveness. If He can forgive our sins, how is it that we cannot supposedly forgive our fellow sinners' sins?

Originally Posted by Matt 6:14-15
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Originally Posted by Matt 7:2
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You are most welcome. My country is officially Orthodox as well as Lutheran, we do not have death penalty over here and barely no support for introducing death penalty to our legal system.

And I fully agree that we do not know and cannot know God's plan for even the worst of sinners among us, therefore the judgment does not belong to us. One sinner is no more fit to judge a fellow sinner in matters of life and death than one murderer is fit to judge a fellow murderer. If one trusts in God's final judgment and that it will be the most just and righteous judgment ever, then one does not feel the need to seek petty temporal revenge in this life the need for which rises from our own sinful nature. Our Good Lord Jesus Christ showed us a better way, the way of forgiveness. If He can forgive our sins, how is it that we cannot supposedly forgive our fellow sinners' sins?

Originally Posted by Matt 6:14-15
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Originally Posted by Matt 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
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