Origins TheologyForum for the discussion of Creation Science (Young/Old) vs Theistic Evolution. Discussion of Atheistic Evolution should be taken to the Discussion and Debate forums.
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
aisy day-
I was told that was the wrong thread for the question, if there is some way to wholesale move the thread, I'll gladly do it.
Mallon-
It is a long, drawn out logic style argument, I'll go through it step by step:
First he said that there are two different types of claims:
faith claims: those which could not be falsified by observation or experiment even in principle.
(i.e. god exists)
-and-
science claims: those which can be falsified by observation or experiment
(i.e. the earth is roughly spherical in shape)
This seemed perfectly rational, so I agreed.
he asked if I would agree that only science claims should be taught in science class. After some hemming and hawwing I agreed.
then the argument went like this:
faith based claims are those that which cannot be falsified.
faith based claims should not be taught in science class.
Creationism / ID can incorporate any evidence by saying "God made it that way"
Therefore creationism / ID cannot be falsified
Therefore creationism / ID should not be taught in science class.
He got me, Where did I go wrong? where's the flaw in his logic that I can't see?
Why do you think creationism should be taught in science class?
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
With over half the country being creationists, I was really expecting help... especially on the Christian forum...
You are getting help. You are being told that your friend is correct and that you are wrong. Would you rather be lied to? Would that really be more helpful?
as to why creationism should be taught in science class, the choice between the word of God and the word of the atheists seems like a pretty easy one.
Why do you believe science is atheistic?
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
I should add that even the late Henry Morris, the founder of modern creationism, has argued that it is not science.
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
You're right, from what I've heard they're not atheists, they have a religion called "Darwinism" where they reject Jesus and hold a racist Nazi named Darwin as their prophet.
why are we letting them indoctrinate our kids with this stuff?
can't someone show me where that kid went wrong in his logic? that's what I came here for.
You're right, from what I've heard they're not atheists, they have a religion called "Darwinism" where they reject Jesus and hold a racist Nazi named Darwin as their prophet.
Careful, now. There are many Christians here who are evolutionists. The fact of the matter is that you have a significant misunderstanding of what evolution is. Evolution is neither atheistic nor a religion. It is a scientific theory like any other. And neither was Darwin a Nazi (he died before Hitler was even born). It appears that what you think evolution is and what it really is are two different things.
can't someone show me where that kid went wrong in his logic? that's what I came here for.
He's not wrong in his logic. You are suffering from a severe confirmation bias. If you're looking to evangelize somehow, why not be gracious in your Christianity and concede the point in a Christ-like manner, rather than try to argue about something that you clearly do not understand? I suspect that would go a lot farther in conveying the spirit of Christ.
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
Help! need help debating an evolutionist! 
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