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Reps: 56,658,641,732,305,168 (power: 56,658,641,732,324) | | Originally Posted by Hentenza  So then why wasn't she fired?
Because she was talking about herself, not about him.
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10th November 2009, 01:07 PM
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Reps: 3,538,456,991,880,037,376 (power: 3,538,456,991,880,070) | | Originally Posted by AirPo Because she was talking abot herself, not about him.
So? Maybe she shouldn't have been talking about herself.
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Reps: 12,773,578,371,522,452 (power: 12,773,578,371,532) | | Originally Posted by Hentenza I don't think neither of them should have been fired. A disagreement on a matter not even related to work should not be grounds for firing someone.
And yet companies are forced to include this type of "policy" in the hr manuals just cause people can't take a little criticism.
But I think that is the point here, the company did have the policy and the man admits he was trained on the policy. As such, I don't see where he has any excuse for his action -- whether you think the policy is a good idea or not.
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10th November 2009, 01:10 PM
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Reps: 11,592,899,482,447,400 (power: 11,592,899,482,456) | | Originally Posted by Hentenza So then why wasn't she fired?
Most likely because she had been employed for more than 90 days. Plus, any negative action towards her for starting an HR investigation would have been a huge no-no (retaliation) unless it the allegation could have been proven to be false. But since he admitted to it and was employed for less than 90 days, adios.
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10th November 2009, 01:12 PM
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Reps: 3,538,456,991,880,037,376 (power: 3,538,456,991,880,070) | | Originally Posted by Maren But I think that is the point here, the company did have the policy and the man admits he was trained on the policy. As such, I don't see where he has any excuse for his action -- whether you think the policy is a good idea or not.
That is why I stated earlier that the only safe thing for anyone to say at work is good morning and good night. A lot of those policies lack common sense.
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Reps: 56,658,641,732,305,168 (power: 56,658,641,732,324) | | Originally Posted by Hentenza So? Maybe she shouldn't have been talking about herself.
So?
So you analogy doesn't work. On any level.
Comparing a person expressing a positive opinion about them themselves to a person expressing a negative opinion about someone else is completely off the mark.
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10th November 2009, 01:36 PM
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Reps: 3,538,456,991,880,037,376 (power: 3,538,456,991,880,070) | | Originally Posted by AirPo So?
So you analogy doesn't work. On any level.
Comparing a person expressing a positive opinion about them themselves to a person expressing a negative opinion about someone else is completely off the mark.
LOL!!!! Both coworkers obviously had different opinions. What makes her opinion right and his wrong?
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Reps: 12,773,578,371,522,452 (power: 12,773,578,371,532) | | Originally Posted by Hentenza LOL!!!! Both coworkers obviously had different opinions. What makes her opinion right and his wrong?
Because it is never alleged that she stated her opinion. Rather, she made factual statements about her life -- there are no claims she editorialized what she felt about religion, politics, etc. He is the only one that stated his opinion, and expressing religious opinions was against company policy.
And again, if we make the claim the woman should have been fired for stating she was engaged to another woman, why should the man not be fired for letting them know he was Christian (as he claims they knew)?
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Reps: 56,658,641,732,305,168 (power: 56,658,641,732,324) | | Originally Posted by Hentenza LOL!!!! Both coworkers obviously had different opinions. What makes her opinion right and his wrong? LOL Mine's bigger.  Again, you're completely off the mark. There is no right or wrong, it's people's opinion.
What it comes down to, in your poor analogy, is talking about yourself vs talking about someone else.
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10th November 2009, 01:54 PM
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Reps: 3,538,456,991,880,037,376 (power: 3,538,456,991,880,070) | | [quote] Originally Posted by Maren Because it is never alleged that she stated her opinion. Rather, she made factual statements about her life -- there are no claims she editorialized what she felt about religion, politics, etc. He is the only one that stated his opinion, and expressing religious opinions was against company policy.
The article does state that she kept repeating it. Did she not realize that her comments made her coworker uncomfortable? It also states that this whole event happened in one conversation and she was from another store so where is the harassment?
These type of "policies" have a tendency of being one sided anyway and a waste of company resources. And again, if we make the claim the woman should have been fired for stating she was engaged to another woman, why should the man not be fired for letting them know he was Christian (as he claims they knew)?
The stupidity of it all just escalates to the absurd. People just need to stop whining and accusing others just cause they don't like something they said.
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