Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Society > Society > News & Current Events
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

News & Current Events The forum to discuss things that are happening in the world today.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:05 PM
AirPo's Avatar
with a Touch of Grey

46 Gender: Male Married Faith: Atheist Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 31st October 2003
Posts: 9,662
Blessings: 1,033,287
My Mood Amused
Reps: 2,365,142,673,367,729 (power: 2,365,142,673,383)
AirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond repute
AirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Hentenza View Post
So then why wasn't she fired?
Because she was talking about herself, not about him.
__________________
It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln

They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Ben Franklin

Last edited by AirPo; 10th November 2009 at 03:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #42  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:07 PM
Hentenza's Avatar
I will fear no evil for You are with me
Angels Team
Site Advisor

Gender: Male Married Faith: Baptist Country: United States Member For 2 Years Angels Team Tentmaker
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 27th March 2007
Location: On the bus to Heaven
Posts: 20,013
Blessings: 35,841
My Mood Bahahaha
Reps: 47,029,105,382,995,600 (power: 47,029,105,383,018)
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by AirPo View Post
Because she was talking abot herself, not about him.
So? Maybe she shouldn't have been talking about herself.
__________________
“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.- Our Lord and Savior.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:09 PM
Veteran

Gender: Female Faith: Deist Country: United States Member For 2 Years Steward
 
Join Date: 20th October 2007
Posts: 3,757
Blessings: 5,610
Reps: 2,887,720,833,920,378 (power: 2,887,720,833,926)
Maren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond repute
Maren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Hentenza View Post
I don't think neither of them should have been fired. A disagreement on a matter not even related to work should not be grounds for firing someone.

And yet companies are forced to include this type of "policy" in the hr manuals just cause people can't take a little criticism.
But I think that is the point here, the company did have the policy and the man admits he was trained on the policy. As such, I don't see where he has any excuse for his action -- whether you think the policy is a good idea or not.
__________________
The people I respect most behave as if they were immortal and as if society was eternal. ~ E. M. Forster
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:10 PM
IzzyPop's Avatar
I wear my sunglasses at night...

36 Gender: Male Faith: Atheist Member For 2 Years Steward
 
Join Date: 2nd June 2007
Posts: 3,836
Blessings: 8,662
Reps: 514,190,376,823,040 (power: 514,190,376,829)
IzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond repute
IzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond reputeIzzyPop has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Hentenza View Post
So then why wasn't she fired?
Most likely because she had been employed for more than 90 days. Plus, any negative action towards her for starting an HR investigation would have been a huge no-no (retaliation) unless it the allegation could have been proven to be false. But since he admitted to it and was employed for less than 90 days, adios.
__________________
"We are trying to unravel the Mighty Infinite using a language which was designed to tell one another where the fresh fruit was." --Terry Pratchett

"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." --Emo Philips
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:12 PM
Hentenza's Avatar
I will fear no evil for You are with me
Angels Team
Site Advisor

Gender: Male Married Faith: Baptist Country: United States Member For 2 Years Angels Team Tentmaker
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 27th March 2007
Location: On the bus to Heaven
Posts: 20,013
Blessings: 35,841
My Mood Bahahaha
Reps: 47,029,105,382,995,600 (power: 47,029,105,383,018)
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Maren View Post
But I think that is the point here, the company did have the policy and the man admits he was trained on the policy. As such, I don't see where he has any excuse for his action -- whether you think the policy is a good idea or not.
That is why I stated earlier that the only safe thing for anyone to say at work is good morning and good night. A lot of those policies lack common sense.
__________________
“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.- Our Lord and Savior.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:20 PM
AirPo's Avatar
with a Touch of Grey

46 Gender: Male Married Faith: Atheist Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 31st October 2003
Posts: 9,662
Blessings: 1,033,287
My Mood Amused
Reps: 2,365,142,673,367,729 (power: 2,365,142,673,383)
AirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond repute
AirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Hentenza View Post
So? Maybe she shouldn't have been talking about herself.
So?

So you analogy doesn't work. On any level.

Comparing a person expressing a positive opinion about them themselves to a person expressing a negative opinion about someone else is completely off the mark.
__________________
It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln

They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Ben Franklin
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:36 PM
Hentenza's Avatar
I will fear no evil for You are with me
Angels Team
Site Advisor

Gender: Male Married Faith: Baptist Country: United States Member For 2 Years Angels Team Tentmaker
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 27th March 2007
Location: On the bus to Heaven
Posts: 20,013
Blessings: 35,841
My Mood Bahahaha
Reps: 47,029,105,382,995,600 (power: 47,029,105,383,018)
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by AirPo View Post
So?

So you analogy doesn't work. On any level.

Comparing a person expressing a positive opinion about them themselves to a person expressing a negative opinion about someone else is completely off the mark.
LOL!!!! Both coworkers obviously had different opinions. What makes her opinion right and his wrong?
__________________
“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.- Our Lord and Savior.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:42 PM
Veteran

Gender: Female Faith: Deist Country: United States Member For 2 Years Steward
 
Join Date: 20th October 2007
Posts: 3,757
Blessings: 5,610
Reps: 2,887,720,833,920,378 (power: 2,887,720,833,926)
Maren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond repute
Maren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond reputeMaren has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Hentenza View Post
LOL!!!! Both coworkers obviously had different opinions. What makes her opinion right and his wrong?
Because it is never alleged that she stated her opinion. Rather, she made factual statements about her life -- there are no claims she editorialized what she felt about religion, politics, etc. He is the only one that stated his opinion, and expressing religious opinions was against company policy.

And again, if we make the claim the woman should have been fired for stating she was engaged to another woman, why should the man not be fired for letting them know he was Christian (as he claims they knew)?
__________________
The people I respect most behave as if they were immortal and as if society was eternal. ~ E. M. Forster
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:54 PM
AirPo's Avatar
with a Touch of Grey

46 Gender: Male Married Faith: Atheist Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 31st October 2003
Posts: 9,662
Blessings: 1,033,287
My Mood Amused
Reps: 2,365,142,673,367,729 (power: 2,365,142,673,383)
AirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond repute
AirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond reputeAirPo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Hentenza View Post
LOL!!!! Both coworkers obviously had different opinions. What makes her opinion right and his wrong?
LOL Mine's bigger. Again, you're completely off the mark. There is no right or wrong, it's people's opinion.

What it comes down to, in your poor analogy, is talking about yourself vs talking about someone else.
__________________
It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln

They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Ben Franklin
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 10th November 2009, 01:54 PM
Hentenza's Avatar
I will fear no evil for You are with me
Angels Team
Site Advisor

Gender: Male Married Faith: Baptist Country: United States Member For 2 Years Angels Team Tentmaker
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 27th March 2007
Location: On the bus to Heaven
Posts: 20,013
Blessings: 35,841
My Mood Bahahaha
Reps: 47,029,105,382,995,600 (power: 47,029,105,383,018)
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
Hentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond reputeHentenza has a reputation beyond repute
[quote]
Originally Posted by Maren View Post
Because it is never alleged that she stated her opinion. Rather, she made factual statements about her life -- there are no claims she editorialized what she felt about religion, politics, etc. He is the only one that stated his opinion, and expressing religious opinions was against company policy.
The article does state that she kept repeating it. Did she not realize that her comments made her coworker uncomfortable? It also states that this whole event happened in one conversation and she was from another store so where is the harassment?

These type of "policies" have a tendency of being one sided anyway and a waste of company resources.

And again, if we make the claim the woman should have been fired for stating she was engaged to another woman, why should the man not be fired for letting them know he was Christian (as he claims they knew)?
The stupidity of it all just escalates to the absurd. People just need to stop whining and accusing others just cause they don't like something they said.
__________________
“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.- Our Lord and Savior.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to News & Current Events

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:38 PM.


vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007 - 2008, PixelFX Studios