Who are the Two candle Sticks

4: These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

So We are told candle Sticks are Churches

20: The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

So Now as I have shown in the Thread Matthew 25 and the ten virgins there are 10 Churches waiting for Jesus to return.

here we are told two of those Churches are his witnesses.

So who do you think these two churches are?

LOL i wonder if I have just put a match to the fuse.

While the seven candlesticks in Revelation 1:12 represented seven first-century local church congregations (Revelation 1:20) in seven cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11), the two candlesticks/olive trees in Revelation 11:4 that stand before the Lord represent two individual anointed men (Zechariah 4:11,14, Revelation 11:3-12), who could be Moses and Elijah, who were the two men seen standing before the Lord at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).

Moses and Elijah could both return bodily from heaven to be the two witnesses during the 1,260 days (Revelation 11:3) of the world-reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:5, 12:6). For Elijah was taken bodily into heaven (2 Kings 2:11), and Moses' dead body could have been recovered by Michael the archangel (Jude 1:9) and taken into heaven and resuscitated. The miracles which the two witnesses will perform (Revelation 11:5-6) match miracles performed in the Old Testament by Elijah and Moses (James 5:17, Exodus 7:20, 2 Kings 1:12).

Hi Bible2

We are given three symbols and we must trust scripture to tell us what these symbols mean. Just like a map you have to trust the map's legend to tell you what the symbols mean.

The Symbols are.....

1. Two Witnesses
2. Two Olive Trees
3. Two Candlesticks

We must look to Scripture to tells us who these are.

With the AC claiming he is God who are God's witnesses to say to the world that he alone is God.

Isa:43:1: But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine..........................9: Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.10: Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

So The Two Houses............. The House of Israel/Jacob and the house of Judah are who God says are his witnesses.

So are they also called Olive trees by God

Jer:11:16: The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.


Hosea:14:6: His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.


So Yes God Also Calls the two Houses his Olive trees..................Do the Apostles use the olive Tree to represent the Houses.........

Rom:11:17: And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

As we can see Paul refers to the House of Judah as the olive Tree.

As I pointed out rev says Candle sticks are Churches

So what we have here ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE is The Two Houses.............The House of Judah and the House of Israel These two houses are baptised in among the Two churches that make the two Witnesses.

So could this be did Jesus tell us we would be his Witnesses

Mt:24:14: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

That is just one of over 80 verses that say we are the lords witnesses

Acts:1:8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So I repeat my ealier question which of the 10 Churches Jesus tells us there are waiting for his return at the time of the end are these two Candle sticks?

If I had to pick the two it would be the only two of the seven with which He found no faults in.

hismessenger

HI Hismessenger

So do you think these churches trnslate into modern churches?

The two churches are represented by Philadelphia and Smyrna in Revelation. And, they/we are not a building or religious denomination...we are people. His people.

We are His witnesses. The "two witnesses" are not two entities but are rather two groups of people.

The two houses, "house of Judah" and "house of Israel," aren't the two witnesses for the house of Judah (Jews) don't yet have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The house of Israel (Christians) do have His testimony and will take that testimony to the world.

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The 2 worshippers in the temple, the 2 witnesses, 2 candlesticks, etc. are Christians and Jews. They prophecy in sackcloth for 1260 years while the 7th head of the beast tramples Jerusalem for 1260 years. The 1260 years of trampling by Muslims is up.

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Hi whirlwind

What makes you say the House of Judah does not have the testimony of Jesus.......Does every Jew have to convert for the house of Judah to be one of the Two Candlesticks.................Is every member of the house of Israel saved.

I agree they are groups of people I would even say they are belief structures or IE Amil is one belief Premill is another..........etc etc.

The 7 churches were not noted as "olive trees". As was said back a bit - the olive trees and candlessticks part link sends us to Zech. chapter 4. In this chapter a man of God had started to build the temple - and he was to live to see it done. laid the foundation

so - using that same thought pattern

the two witnesses would be Enoch and Elijah
two individuals of God that never finished their lives to the death - but were translated or such

Hebrews 11 even speaks of how Enoch had a testimony when he was translated.
Rev. 11 refers to they get killed after they have finished their testimony.

As for Moses - he let God down - and thus wasn't allowed to enter into the promise land. Moses was permitted to see it from afar and then he died. Moses also didn't do much without Aaron.
Moses doesn't have a testimony to finish.

Paul spoke of two groups that will be changed at the coming of the Lord - dead and still alive-
Moses is already in the went to the grave group, but neither Enoch nor Elijah can find themselves yet in either bunch.

HI Interpreter

So youare saying the Beast in Rev 17 is Islam???????