House will vote on Stupak Ammendment to Cut Aboriton from the Healthcare bill

The Pro-Life dems have stood firm and forced a vote on the amendment.

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Doerflinger, associate director of the bishops conference's pro-life office, told the Washington Post that the bishops would drop their objections to the health care bill if the Stupak amendment is added and all abortion funding is removed. "We become enthusiastic advocates for moving forward with health care reform," he said, if that happens.

As we should given our Social Doctrine

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If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer.
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Source for those who do not like lifesite: Washington Post

If the 40 pro life dems vote for it and all the Republicans it will pass. Now, if there are Republicans who do not vote for it because they fear that if Abortion is removed then the overall bill will pass....then they are not pro-life by any measure.

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Bob Casey Sr.

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Well, at least that is being resolved.
I am still more interested in cutting costs with what we have now...as rep's proposed.

This is the other issue [besides preposterous taxation that we cannot afford] that frightens me...
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I would prefer costs are cut too, in basic medical care. I do not care as much about what is added to the deficit by this. We can resolve that by cutting other unnecessary things.

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If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer.
Bob Casey Sr.

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Um well David - according to the 'video' the elderly in acute care will get the cuts.
Dialysis patients will be getting cuts and that means possibly fatal cuts in their care.

Then there is the 'everyone will be charged x amount or go to jail and be fined'...
That's a lot of citizens who will be jailed for lack of a job, being indigent [so forth]

I also think this will really destroy the economy.
And so far - i have called alot of things right.

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I actually have a lot of concerns about this whole UHC.
Why not reform medicaid? Which is for the poor. Streamline the criteria?

And make it more cost effective to own and insurance - additionally cutting costs on liability costs by capping what is allowable in being sued.
Like a lifetime of yearly pay at an already established salary with rising living costs for the duration of the person affected? Instead of millions being spent.

Or capping the emotional distress cases.

1.2 trillion dollars is needed to create UHC. Frankly no one has it. We are already losing jobs left and right. Who will be able to pay this when so many businesses are closing.
Stats show we have less 'wealthy' ppl to pay into the cup.

Euthanisia meetings with seniors is another grave ordeal to deal with. Suicide is really what it is. And putting that into the hands of ppl with acute care is an awful thing to do. Who here knows what happens to their soul? By choosing death when they may not be ready for it.
DNR - do not resusictate in a time when their soul could be in peril...really is a frightening thot.

How about getting the 'illegal immigrants' into the system so they pay taxes and dont live off the workers taxes of which they arent paying.

The inflation is going to be projected for 2010 to be the worst. Taxes are climbing already. Charitable payments have been decreased on tax deductions..
We're in a mess.

Yes, I love to see them stand firm on hopefully repealing the abortion on demands. I am hopeful that if we are stuck with this awful UHC at least that has been resolved.

The NJ and Va win has made it quite clear that ppl dont want UHC...and i read the stats of those not wanting it is 49% - 23% do and the rest undecided.
Mainly because if you go thru all of it with a fine tooth comb, its terrible.

It will be the last straw to break the back.

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Does this mean if this ammendment were to be put in place, that insurance companies and government insurance programs, could not pay for abortions done under medical necessity, for the mother's health?

I can see why insurance companies would support the ammendment, and it would have nothing to do with morality, but
money.

Jim

Get on your phones, people!

I don't like paying taxes and I want great healthcare available to every single American (legal or otherwise) at every stage of their life, but stopping abortion is job #1. There's some poster on here that has a signature that says "Life trumps the economy every time". She should be delighted to hear that this is coming to a vote!

jim, I haven't read the Bill, but I wondered about that too. Sadly, any bill that prohibits life-saving abortions (an oxymoron of sorts) is going to be too easy for fense-sitters to vote against.

Eptopic pregancy is not an abortion - it is surgery to remove the baby because it cannot [usually] form in the womb [often deformed by impractical space] and in most instances a woman doesnt know she is pregnant til a rupture or near rupture occurs.

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Who said anything about eptopic pregnancy?