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Old 7th November 2009, 08:51 AM
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Agree Al-Qaeda outwitted Bush, neocons

alJazeera Magazine - Al-Qaeda outwitted Bush, neocons

To sell the Iraq War to the American people, Bush and the neocons called it “the central front in the war on terror,” a claim that was buttressed by false information fed to the Bush administration by captured al-Qaeda operatives in the face of torture or threatened torture.


Those lies told about an Iraqi-Qaeda alliance -- whether coerced or intentionally misleading -- reflected a symbiotic relationship that had grown between the neocons and al-Qaeda, at least over their mutual desire to kill Saddam Hussein, a secular Muslim who brutally repressed extremists and also was an enemy of Israel.
By invading Iraq, Bush and the neocons gave three key gifts to al-Qaeda: they shifted U.S. military focus away from the Af-Pac border region where Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders were hiding; eliminated al-Qaeda’s rival Saddam Hussein; and intensified anti-Americanism, which helped al-Qaeda recruit more suicide bombers.


Beyond that, Bush and the neocons upgraded the prospects for extremists to destabilize the Pakistani government, whose collapse could deliver nuclear weapons into the hands of al-Qaeda terrorists, exactly the nightmare scenario that Bush and neocons cited to justify the invasion of Iraq.


How misguided the Bush-neocon Iraq strategy was comes into focus in a recently released letter by a U.S. Foreign Service officer and ex-Marine captain, Matthew Hoh, who resigned his reconstruction post in Afghanistan because he concluded that the drawn-out U.S. occupation no longer made any sense, nor offered reasonable hope of success.


“I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy,” Hoh wrote in a Sept. 10 resignation letter to a State Department superior, “but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end.



"To put simply: I fail to see the value or the worth in continued U.S. casualties or expenditures of resources in support of the Afghan government in what is truly a 35-year-old civil war.”


Hoh described the Afghan conflict as “a tragedy that not only pits tribes, valleys, clans, villages and families against one another, but … has violently and savagely pitted the urban, secular, educated and modern of Afghanistan against the rural, religious, illiterate and traditional.”


This latter group, Hoh said, is at the heart of “the Pashtun insurgency, which is composed of multiple, seemingly infinite, local groups [and] is fed by what is perceived by the Pashtun people as a continued and sustained assault, going back centuries, on Pashtun land, culture, traditions and religion by internal and external enemies.


“The U.S. and NATO presence and operations in Pashtun valleys and villages, as well as Afghan army and police units that are led and composed of non-Pashtun soldiers and police, provide an occupation force against which the insurgency is justified. …


“The United States military presence in Afghanistan greatly contributes to the legitimacy and strategic message of the Pashtun insurgency. In a like manner our backing of the Afghan government in its current form continues to distance the government from the people.”

Al-Qaeda got the better of George Bush and the neocons by bogging the U.S. down in Iraq

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I recently finished up a book by a man who was a spy inside a training camp in Afghanistan pre-9/11. He trained directly under the guy responsible for this intel and one lesson that was always stressed was that you can still inflict damage even after being caught by feeding false information.

I fully believe that the administration had already decided to invade Iraq before they took office (ample of evidence to back this up). On 9/11 multiple members mentioned wanting to hit Iraq as the "token muslim state". Of course the sad part is that Iraq was the best gift we could have ever given AQ. We gave them back all of the south of Afghanistan while we invaded a county sitting on a massive religious fault line AND deposing a guy who they had always hated.

We should have just tossed in a few Abrams tanks while we were at it.
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Fantastic news, millions of lives have been lost that could have been avoided! You can always trust Al Queda and Bush to incite genocide! Thanks for posting such a depressing news article!
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What's wrong with dethroning an evil dictator, and bringing democracy to the middle east?
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Originally Posted by interpreter View Post
What's wrong with dethroning an evil dictator, and bringing democracy to the middle east?
Has democracy been brought to the middle east?
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Originally Posted by nolongerhome View Post
Has democracy been brought to the middle east?
If by democracy you mean graft and corruption, sure!
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Originally Posted by nolongerhome View Post
Has democracy been brought to the middle east?
Yes, democracy has now been brought to both Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush will be remembered as a great president.
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Originally Posted by Axioma View Post
If by democracy you mean graft and corruption, sure!
dont forget drug trafficking as well as millions of deaths
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Yes, democracy has now been brought to both Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush will be remembered as a great president.

You're kidding right? I was in Iraq for 15 months and it's far from democratic in that nation. We had Iraqi contractors having to secretly carry their cash so they wouldn't worry about getting robbed out the gate. One of the contractor's brother was killed by a suicide bomber because it was found out he was working with US Soldiers. Hardly a nation where peace and tranquility exist.

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What's wrong with dethroning an evil dictator, and bringing democracy to the middle east?

Nothing. But for it to work, the evil dictator should be dethroned by his own people. And they must really want a democratic government for themselves. It can't be imposed by a foreign power.
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