MILAN – An Italian judge found 23 Americans and two Italians guilty Wednesday in the kidnapping of an Egyptian terror suspect, delivering the first legal convictions anywhere in the world against people involved in the CIA's extraordinary renditions program.
Human rights groups hailed the decision and pressed President Barack Obama to repudiate the Bush administration's practice of abducting terror suspects and transferring them to third countries where torture was permitted.
The Obama administration ended the CIA's interrogation program and shuttered its secret overseas jails in January but has opted to continue the practice of extraordinary renditions.
Unlike the United states, the rule of law is still being practiced in Italy. A refreshing victory against international terrorism.
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Unlike the United states, the rule of law is still being practiced in Italy. A refreshing victory against international terrorism.
That depends entirely on whether your name is Berlusconi or not.
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That depends entirely on whether your name is Berlusconi or not.
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MILAN – An Italian judge found 23 Americans and two Italians guilty Wednesday in the kidnapping of an Egyptian terror suspect, delivering the first legal convictions anywhere in the world against people involved in the CIA's extraordinary renditions program.
Human rights groups hailed the decision and pressed President Barack Obama to repudiate the Bush administration's practice of abducting terror suspects and transferring them to third countries where torture was permitted.
The Obama administration ended the CIA's interrogation program and shuttered its secret overseas jails in January but has opted to continue the practice of extraordinary renditions.
Hypocrite! I remember Obama speaking against the detestable Bush Renditions program during the campaign!
Despite the convictions capping the nearly three-year Italian trial, several Italian and American defendants — including the two alleged masterminds of the abduction — were acquitted due to either diplomatic immunity or because classified information was stricken by Italy's highest court.
We see the rule of law is depending on who you are. I do not believe in diplomatic immunity, except for possibly petty crimes that the visitor might not realize was a crime.(parking tickets being one.) Diplomatic immunity means people are above the law. I do not support it on our soil, nor other countries doing it for us.
One note: How hard is it to convict people when they aren't there to defend themselves?
The taking of known terrorists by the military is the war on terror. We get them when we know where they are, rather then wait to go through the channels to get the ok, and the person gets away because someone tipped them off.
Rendition: the taking of the terror suspects to some place that allows torture is wrong.(torture, not just uncomfortable treatment) The US did torture(waterboarding), so I must assume, they did send suspects to be tortured in other countries.
I would hope the US goverment would have smoothed over the taking of a terror suspect without following procedures, and possibly figured out a way to work together in the future, to act quickly and arrest, rather than abduct, the suspect.
If a country does not assist in the arresting of suspected terrorists, the snatching of that suspect must be considered. The safety of nations depends on getting the terrorists, where they feel comfortable. BY the time goverments work out the paperwork, the person is gone, and may be able to kill thousands more people before he is caught or killed.
Limited abducting of suspects is defendable. Rendition is not.
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Hypocrite! I remember Obama speaking against the detestable Bush Renditions program during the campaign!
Did you really think President Obama's admin was going to overturn "everything" that was in the Bush admin? Besides, govenrment sponsored kidnappings have been going on for decades and not just under the previous administration.
Did you really think President Obama's admin was going to overturn "everything" that was in the Bush admin? Besides, govenrment sponsored kidnappings have been going on for decades and not just under the previous administration.
Pretty sure Clinton started the "catch them in the 1st world and fly them to the 3rd world to be tortured" policy of extraordinary rendition.
To me that is like finding out that 20% of America still has slaves, its like WTH? You are actually kidnapping (it is what it is) legal citizens of other nations based on, in some cases crappy evidence and then watching as they are tortured.
I wouldn't mind sending any and all Americans who were involved with this to the gulag, including the Bush administration officials who wrote the legal justifications for it.
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Do I also need to mention that toutre is quite possibly the biggest reason we are in Iraq.
The first high ranking AQ member to be caught was tortured and after realized that a whole heck of a lot of questions were about Saddam and Iraq he started to spin a tale. Later it came out that in the training camps he would tell the recruits that you can be much more valuable giving false or misleading information after capture than just shutting down.
Even after the CIA told the Bush Administration that the guy was worthless they continued to use the intel because it justified their AQ-Iraq link.
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